TNGrumpy Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 What makes STI and SVI's the most popular pistols for competitions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve RA Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 High Capacity !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supermoto Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 (edited) trigger, ergos and long term reliability Edited October 1, 2013 by Supermoto Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thermobollocks Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 I haven't seen one in Production yet... But, basically they're what happens when you set out to build a gun to the requirements and parameters of competition shooting. Their magazines accept as much ammo as can possibly be crammed into 140/170mm spaces (defined by the rules) and they'll build you basically whatever kind of gun you want to have on top of that. Light loads for steel? There's an S_I for that. Limited .40? There's an S_I for that. 3gun? No problem. Top of the line, flat-shooting Open racer? Guess what. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supermoto Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 I haven't seen one in Production yet... Production is for people that bought the wrong gun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjb45 Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Browning HP were used for a while because of the extra magazine capacity. I believe Dave Dawson/Sandy Strayer/Virgil Tripp experimented with the creation of the basic high capacity frame with a 1911 slide. Extra rounds mean less reloads. There is a high reliability factor for SVI v. BHP. The BHP was not meant for the high round counts of competition shooting/practice or LEO work. I believe the FBI was issuing BHP but the high round counts were cracking the BHP. As time progressed, so did the development and refinement of the SV type guns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thermobollocks Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 I haven't seen one in Production yet... Production is for people that bought the wrong gun Actually I bought three of the wrong gun So much for that low cost of entry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durtarg Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 trigger, ergos and long term reliability +1 on all the above. What makes them top is why they cost what they do. Not to mention the exceptional costumer service from STI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericjhuber Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Both companies have oriented a substantial amount of their focus on the competitive shooter. The major brands are fine options also, but they are targeting several different markets which means they don't focus on the competitive shooter as narrowly as STI and SVI. I went with SVI for my USPSA Single Stack build and it was a much easier conversation with Brandon Strayer compared to the conversations I've had with other gunsmiths. I didn't have to do much more than fill out the gun builder website and then talk to Brandon once I submitted it. The conversations about trigger pull, magazines, and everything else was easy because the man builds competition guns for competition shooters. All of the education was Brandon teaching me things I didn't know. When I needed work on one of my Production guns, it was the other way around where I had to educate the smith on what I needed out of the pistol. The downside to S_I is price and wait times. STI seems like a function of finding a dealer who has what you want. It might take awhile, but you should be able to get what you need pretty quickly with some effort on your part. SVI is take a number and get in the 15 to 18 month line because everything is custom. I'm fine with that given what I'll get on the other end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFlowers Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Because no one else really builds a wide-body 1911? Para has its own issues and everyone else seemed to have copied Para. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latech15 Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Because no one else really builds a wide-body 1911? Para has its own issues and everyone else seemed to have copied Para. The slides are the same on a 2011 vs. a 1911. The only thing that STI and SVI have in common is the slide, and they both copied that from JMB. The frames are completely different animals. Sure, they thought that the double stack mag was a good idea and did that, but that is the only thing that anybody copied...the idea. The execution is completely different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
v1911 Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 With the patent expired on the frame, all of that is changing. While STI will probably remain the largest piece of the pie, others are starting to crop up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
38superfan Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 I think its gonna be a while before any substantial numbers of after market frames are available with any frequency or big enough price difference to not go sti. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latech15 Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 IMO the others won't be a major factor until gunsmiths start to prefer their frames. They know STI parts and while they aren't perfect, the smiths have experience with them and know where the problems are and how to correctly address them. I don't see a big contingency of smiths deciding to switch without some very big benefits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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