Hatchet Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 Hi all, I started shooting USPSA Production about a year ago with a Shadow. In order to mix it up a bit, I decided to shoot Limited using a Glock 35. I have only loaded 9mm and have that one dialed in perfectly(Universal Clays 3.5 gr and a 147 gr plated RN projectile). I have read dozens of threads on .40 loads and am trying to get a few things straight before I get started. My goal is to have a consistent, safe load for Major in 180 gr. Lyman states that the OAL of a .40 is 1.135. I read a few threads stating Glock magazines don't like them longer, while 2011 pistols can have OAL of up to 1.200. I didn't even realize that projectiles for .40 were all flat nose. What is your experience with this? I have also read that WST can alter pressure depending on the temperature. What are some recommended slower powders that aren't as temperature dependent? Any other suggestions on safely getting up to the 950 fps range with a 180gr with a Glock is greatly appreciated. Also, I am using the stock barrel for now and don't plan on shooting lead. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJ 40 Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 (edited) I run my 40's for a Glock at 1.135 because my magazines won't accept a longer length without feed problems. While it may not be the perfect powder for 40 major I have taken to WSF,lacks the reverse sensitivity of WST. The load I use out of a G 22 gives me 980 fps SJ 40 Edited September 30, 2013 by SJ 40 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
earthshine402 Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 I've tried Solo 1000 (reverse temp sensitive), n320, and Titegroup, all with an Ibejiheads 180 gr coated bullet, easily made major in the factory barrel with all powders. I will use the Solo for local matches, and n320 for majors to make sure I chrono without worrying about what temperature it is. I think most people on here will recommend any of those powders. They are more on the fast end of the burn rate chart. I've been loading to 1.138, and only had one out of about 1500 have an issue feeding - not sure what the problem was with that one. I picked up the round, and loaded it in practice no problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve RA Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 Try 6gr of 4756 with a 180gr, if you have any laying around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchet Posted October 1, 2013 Author Share Posted October 1, 2013 Thanks for the responses. Seems odd that the magazines are so similar on 9mm and .40, and I easily load to 1.160 with no problems on 9mm, but most people stop on 1.135 with .40. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poppa Bear Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 I load mine to 1.155" for my G35 and 1.185" for my STI. I use Universal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkhelmet47 Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 I load out to 1.150" for my Glock 35. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchet Posted October 1, 2013 Author Share Posted October 1, 2013 I load mine to 1.155" for my G35 and 1.185" for my STI. I use Universal. I have a lot of Universal. Are you using 180 gr and, if so, how much powder and what is your PF? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shtr3 Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Just got a 35 for a back up gun to my STI 40 and tried to load my 1.178 oal's . They don't fit. Will have to load another 500 jyst to fit the glock at the major I'm shooting later this month. Will most likely go with 1.135 but using WST Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I747 using Tapatalk 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poppa Bear Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 (edited) I load mine to 1.155" for my G35 and 1.185" for my STI. I use Universal. I have a lot of Universal. Are you using 180 gr and, if so, how much powder and what is your PF? 4.9 gr and 175 PF using 185 gr Edited October 1, 2013 by Poppa Bear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchet Posted October 6, 2013 Author Share Posted October 6, 2013 So, I have some Universal, some N320, 1000 Xtreme 180gr and a bunch of nice clean brass. This week I'll spend some time loading and chronoing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlgentlegiant Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 I load to 1.140 here and have no trouble feeding the rounds. I do find some variation with brass of .005 or so (Win brass in particular) so you may have to watch that. My load for Xtreme would be 4.7gr of N320 but start with 4.5 and go from there as my results were from a KKM barrel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchet Posted October 20, 2013 Author Share Posted October 20, 2013 I load to 1.140 here and have no trouble feeding the rounds. I do find some variation with brass of .005 or so (Win brass in particular) so you may have to watch that. My load for Xtreme would be 4.7gr of N320 but start with 4.5 and go from there as my results were from a KKM barrel. I have been testing for about a week and loaded up to 4.8 N320 with a 180 gr Xtreme and am only getting about 880 fps out of the stock Glock barrel. What is your PF or fps using 4.7? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchet Posted October 20, 2013 Author Share Posted October 20, 2013 http://www.lapua.com/en/products/reloading/vihtavuori-reloading-data/relodata/6/25 When I refer to lapua, the amount of powder that they use for N320 on a 180 gr is significantly lower with a similar barrel. I can only assume that the OAL of 1.126 is generating more fps than the 1.140 that I am using? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dskinsler83 Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 I load to 1.140 here and have no trouble feeding the rounds. I do find some variation with brass of .005 or so (Win brass in particular) so you may have to watch that. My load for Xtreme would be 4.7gr of N320 but start with 4.5 and go from there as my results were from a KKM barrel. 1.140 and Xtremes caused be a lot of trouble at GA State this year. My KKM took them just fine but my mags not so much. Ill be sticking with BBI and 1.135" from now on I use N320 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchet Posted October 20, 2013 Author Share Posted October 20, 2013 I load to 1.140 here and have no trouble feeding the rounds. I do find some variation with brass of .005 or so (Win brass in particular) so you may have to watch that. My load for Xtreme would be 4.7gr of N320 but start with 4.5 and go from there as my results were from a KKM barrel. 1.140 and Xtremes caused be a lot of trouble at GA State this year. My KKM took them just fine but my mags not so much. Ill be sticking with BBI and 1.135" from now on I use N320 How much N320 and what was the PF? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dskinsler83 Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 4.5ish and around 170 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dskinsler83 Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 Just like any other loading protocol start a little lower and work up with chrono Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchet Posted October 21, 2013 Author Share Posted October 21, 2013 Just like any other loading protocol start a little lower and work up with chrono I've worked up to 4.8 at 1.140 and still only get 880 fps. I'll have to go to 5.0 to make major. I have compared my chrono to others and it is acurate. Seems odd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dskinsler83 Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 Just like any other loading protocol start a little lower and work up with chronoI've worked up to 4.8 at 1.140 and still only get 880 fps. I'll have to go to 5.0 to make major. I have compared my chrono to others and it is acurate. Seems odd. Some barrels are slower than others Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankge Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 9 & 40 1.135 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlgentlegiant Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 I load to 1.140 here and have no trouble feeding the rounds. I do find some variation with brass of .005 or so (Win brass in particular) so you may have to watch that. My load for Xtreme would be 4.7gr of N320 but start with 4.5 and go from there as my results were from a KKM barrel. 1.140 and Xtremes caused be a lot of trouble at GA State this year. My KKM took them just fine but my mags not so much. Ill be sticking with BBI and 1.135" from now on I use N320 Lately I prefer Bayou or BBO just like the above. With Xtreme at 4.7 I was right around 938fps. Some barrels can be slower than others and my stock barrel did not like plated bullets, lots of copper smearing. Right now I am running Bayou 180gr over 4.4gr of N320 for 945fps (I ran the same bullet at GA state but with 4.5gr and got 968fps). Those are through a KKM barrel and I load to 1.140. I have found some variation in brass OALs btw. Win brass seems to have more variation than Fed, Speer, R&P and starline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uod Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 Glock 24 --- so, not much different than a Glock 35. I use an OAL of 1.135 -- same OAL I use when loading 9mm in my G34. I run 4.4gr Titegroup behind a 180gr Montana Gold JHP. Chronos at 166pf. This is coming out of a KKM barrel BTW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
earthshine402 Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 Glock 24 --- so, not much different than a Glock 35. I use an OAL of 1.135 -- same OAL I use when loading 9mm in my G34. I run 4.4gr Titegroup behind a 180gr Montana Gold JHP. Chronos at 166pf. This is coming out of a KKM barrel BTW. I've not loaded jacketed yet in .40, but that seems pretty slow compared to some of my testing with Titegroup and coated Ibejiheads. I load 180gr to 1.138", and out of a factory G35 barrel, got 172 PF from 4.1gr Titegroup, and 178 PF from 4.3gr. I didn't think the difference between jacketed and coated lead would be that much... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dskinsler83 Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 That's a few fps so a jacketed bullet very well could result in lower PF and FPS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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