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  1. If the magazine comment is before the "Make Ready" command it is alright. I received this very advice from an RO at a level II match when I came to the line without magazines. He knew issuing the make ready command would only delay things so he "suggested" that he move me down a couple while I went and retrieved my magazines. LOL
  2. As long as it is not in the ground literally at their feet, ie finger on the trigger as they draw, then no AD and no DQ. Once the draw is completed the target is fair game even if they miss it.
  3. Another thing to keep in mind when arriving at a match is: 2.5 Unloading/Loading Station 2.5.1 If it is possible that some competitors arriving at a range where a USPSA match is being held may be in possession of a loaded firearm on their person (e.g. law enforcement officers, persons duly authorized to carry a loaded firearm, etc.), match organizers should provide an Unloading/Loading Station to enable such competitors to safely unload their firearms prior to entering the range, and to safely load their firearms again on departure from the range. The Unloading/Loading Station should be conveniently located outside the entrance to the range (or outside the portion of the range allocated to the USPSA match), it should be clearly marked with a sign and it must include a suitable impact zone. 2.5.2 Where no Unloading/Loading station is provided, a competitor who arrives at a match in possession of a loaded firearm and proceeds immediately to a match official for the express purpose of safely unloading the firearm shall not be subject to disqualification per the provisions of Rule 10.5.13. I have seen many clubs where the shooters will put on all of their equipment at their vehicles and then take their bagged gun to the safety area to gun up. I have seen a couple where the people will remove their carry gun at their vehicle and bag it before getting their gear on for the match. I have not seen one where people use their vehicle as a safety area to gun up for the match.
  4. The reshoot would need to be justified. There are options in terms of arbitration etc. that would also come into play. To me the big issue would be if there was a true justification like the time being not realistic then the shooter would have a choice of either no score for the stage or reshoot for a valid score with a valid time.
  5. This would be relevant to the discussion I believe: 2.3.3.3 A competitor who refuses to reshoot a course of fire, under this or any other section, when so ordered by a Range Official, will receive a zero score for that stage, irrespective of any previous attempt.
  6. I would stop them immediately to correct the action. Manual decocking and using the decocking lever are separate actions in terms of functions. It is easy to see which method is being used, so if I see a manual decking action used I will be looking for the hammer to go all the way down. It is easy at that point to stop them and have them fully decock if they go to the halfway point. Tht said if they still holster at that point with the hammer at the halfway point then I would say "Welcome to Open"
  7. In my opinion if we take stage design to a point that all targets are not available past the 180 then we are adding a lot of unnecessary work to stage setup. I have shot many a stage where the target starts to disappear as you approach the 180, but as you approach the 220 plus area it starts to become visible again because the prop blocking it does not extend all the way to the end of the stage. It is one thing if it is only visible in the 160 to 200 range and it is easy for the shooter to run past it and break the 180, it is another if the stage design allows the target to be visible up to the 160 area, restricts the view until you are approaching the 200 area and it only then starts to become visible again. A shooter that tries to engage a target at that point is very deserving of a 180 DQ. So if Troy's opinion is that we MUST restrict target availability past the 180, but not require that it remain restricted once the shooter has advanced further down range, I do not have a problem with it. If the ruling is to mean that once restricted it has to remain restricted then I would have a problem with it.
  8. In the OP it stated that it was a door attached to a port. By default doors on ports are closed. If the designer intended for the port to be open they would have blocked it in some manner so that its normal position was open. Even if the door was hinged so that it opened to the left or right it would have been blocked to keep it open so that it could not be closed. It this was a swinger the squad could not choose to reset it so that the target was out and available until activated. "Sarcasm" "Well the WSB did not say it had to be reset so that it was hidden." Now if the WSB did not state how the door was to be opened or held open then it becomes part of the problem. I have shot stages where the door had a hinge on the top and we dropped it on our heads after we opened it with our weak hand so that we could bring our weak hand back to the gun. Activating props is part of the problem, their starting state should not be part of the problem. If there is a question about how to properly reset a target or activator then that should be addressed at the shooters meeting or with a RO walkthrough before the match starts.
  9. One of the most important aspects to reloading that not everyone can do is to feel the press. As you reload your rounds each pull of the handle should have a similar feel to it. If you feel a crunch or need extra pressure to pull the handle do not ignore it. Check the round or rounds in the press for splits, double charges, a bullet going in crooked, etc. I have a light above and to the left of my press that allows me to see into every case as I am placing the bullet on the charged case. I also have lights centered above the press as well as to the right so I do not have any shadows. I have caught weak charges due to a bug getting into the powder hopper, that one took a while to figure out, LOL. I have caught 9mm cases nested inside a .40 or .45 case that would have gotten crushed during the decapping process, and rounds that were shot out of larger than normal chambers so that they deformed during the sizing operation.
  10. The most critical part of the letter to me is the following: Same thing applies when clearing the gun–you may not go to the magnet with a magazine until after Range is Clear. So the shooter is safe as long as they do not immediately stick the magazine to the magnet during the "Unload And Show Clear" portion of the commands. Doing so is a bump to open. I would not have a magnet on my belt just for this reason. A simple mental lapse at the end of the stage could lead to a bump.
  11. There are too many to go into all of them. The biggest differences are that IDPA is based on concealment, while USPSA is based on open holsters. IDPA has smaller courses and more reloads due to magazine limits for all divisions, while USPSA is based off the division being shot whether you are loading 8 or 20+ rounds in a magazine. Check https://www.idpa.com/idpa-matches/idpa-match-rules/ for IDPA and https://uspsa.org/documents/rules/2019_USPSA_Competition_Rules.pdf for the USPSA rules.
  12. It is good to have that clarified. Being as 4.2 mentions non scoring borders several times to include when it discusses hard cover I was under the impression that All cardboard targets had to include a non scoring border (4.2.2) so when you used a cardboard target as hard cover you still needed to account for that border.
  13. Part of the major or minor power factor equation is the feet per second of the bullet. On close in targets there would not be much of a drop. On targets 25 to 50 yards out there would start to be a difference. Major FPS has a better chance of dropping a popper compared to Minor FPS. I do not shoot Open but I would think that I would want a round that is consistent first and then consider how much power I am willing to load into a cartridge to get the best results. I also know of shooters who shoot 2011 based Open guns where they have a lot of room for powder and people who shoot Glock based Open guns where they have to compress their loads in order to get the cartridge short enough to load into the magazine. I do not think PF is going to make a big difference in a shooters overall accuracy or time when we are talking Open division.
  14. So what if you take Peeker Left and Peeker Right and place them so that the perfs align with the A/C perf on the Open target? At 2 rounds per target. you now have a 3 target array worth 30 points. If you treat the edge of the target as HC then it extends .2" into the A zone and you would require that an edge hit that touches the edge of the target to give the shooter an A zone hit. If you treat the non scoring border of the target as non existent then you would just need the shot to touch the perf to give the shooter an A zone hit. A shot that touches the perf on the Hard Cover would be treated as an A zone hit one way and as a miss on the other. That is a 15 point difference based on how you treat the edge of a hard cover cardboard target. I have always treated the non scoring border of a cardboard HC target as non existent just like the non scoring border of a shoot target.
  15. The only time the perf on a hard cover target would matter is if the shot was almost totally inside the hard cover target. If the overlay touched the perf forming the non scoring border then it would count as a hit on the target underneath provided that the target underneath was available. In other words if the scoring target was covered edge to edge, then the only available area would be that portion under either the top or the bottom of the hard cover targets non scoring borders the sides would still be misses.
  16. The problem is that perfs never line up perfectly. For hard cover lines I like either using a wide Sharpie to create the edge, or some form of black duct tape. Rubber electrical tape tends to stretch when hit and is in my opinion much harder to create a consistent clean edge during the course of a match. That said the only non scoring boarder that matters is the edge of the target and that is a C zone whether it is down by the shoulders or around the edge of the head. Again this is just my opinion but if you use hard cover or a no shoot to create a head shot, then place it just above the shoulders so that no portion of the shoulder is available if they should nick that area of the non scoring border.
  17. It is a judgement call. I have stopped or seen shooters stopped when a popper fails to fall activating a moving target. In pretty much every case it was the beginning of the match and some issue with the setup prevented the popper from falling. After an adjustment was made to the system so that the popper would activate reliably, the rest of the match went on without a problem. The problem was not usually one of the popper failing to try and fall but more of an issue of the activating mechanism preventing the fall. If a popper was hit well and failed to fall it was either shot a second time and did fall or failed to fall and we stopped to check it out. Again we are talking the early part of the match where set up issues might still need some correction.
  18. From Troy's interpretation it sounds like he is treating FTSA similar to Extra Shot and Extra Hit penalties, penalties that can only be assessed at the line or during scoring. If you can say the target was not engaged during the COF/String then a FTSA penalty applies (Extra Shot). If you cannot determine a FTSA at the line then a FTSA penalty will not apply because you cannot assess FTSA during the scoring of the stage (Extra Hit).
  19. If the barrel forms the front of the shooting area then you can use it as support just like you would a wall that is used in place of a fault line. If you have a fault line and the barrel is in front of that then it is off limits.
  20. I would look at how close the targets were to each other. If they were next to each other so that it was easy to mistake one for the other, the intent was there and I would not assess FTSA. If they were separated by enough distance or obstacles so that he shot the same target twice from two locations and you could not reasonable mistake one for the other, I would assess the FTSA. Another way to phrase it is if you can say they did not engage the target while the stage was being shot, you can assess FTSA penalties. If the only way you know a target was not shot at was because it did not have any holes in it while the one next to it has extra holes it is hard to justify a FTSA penalty rather than assessing misses. In this case it would have appeared to you that they shot at the target but missed because you could not say they failed to shoot at it with 100% certainty during the COF.
  21. The first incident was premature in my opinion. Waiting until RIC before telling them about the problem does not interfere with the COF. The second one is 100% stupid on the part of the shooter. You are not at fault for either situation and they deserve the DQ. I do not care how amped up you get during a COF there is no excuse for violating either of the safety rules involved.
  22. If it is a loaded start then you can have 9 in a 45 or 40, and 11 in a 9mm. This is because after you load the gun you will have 8 or 10 in the magazine. If it is an unloaded start you can only have 8 or 10. Most people load off a barney mag to start with and load all magazines to either 8 or 10 so they do not have to worry about firing one to many shots and getting bumped. ie, load off a barney and then load a 9 or 11 round magazine which gives them one to many rounds in the magazine after the start signal. The rule you are probably looking for is in the Appendix. This is where the division specific conditions are listed.
  23. Appendix D4 Special conditions: 1. Only Double Action, Double Action/Single Action, and Safe Action/Striker Fired handguns are allowed, and must be on the approved list. When in the ready conditions as specified under 8.1, a gun with an external hammer must be hammer down. A hammer is considered to be in the "hammer down" position when the hammer is placed there by pulling the trigger while manually lowering the hammer (manually decocking) or by activating the decocking lever if present. Manually decocking to the half-cocked position is not allowed and will result in the competitor being moved to Open division.
  24. George does bring up a point that people need to consider. If you realize something is not right you can move out of the start position or stance and correct the issue after "Make Ready" and prior to the "Start" signal without penalty. It is only after the start signal has been issued that you are on the clock and must own the issue with all relevant penalties.
  25. Write a WSB that requires ALL magazines to come from the barrels. None can come from the mag pouch, none can be stowed, if they want to hold an extra in their hand that is fine. Then design the stage so that the barrels are spaced out in such a way that each division has a couple of choices for which barrels to use depending on their plan of attack. All shooters can now solve the problem however they want with the added challenge of trying to cleanly grab and reload using a magazine that they placed ANYWHERE on the barrel. Here is the problem. Here are the challenges. Now solve it.
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