Jan R. Posted July 1, 2013 Share Posted July 1, 2013 Hi All, Are magnets/Magnetic pouches legal for use in Single Stack division? Thanks, Jan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gng4life Posted July 1, 2013 Share Posted July 1, 2013 Not any more...it was one of the newer rule changes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gng4life Posted July 1, 2013 Share Posted July 1, 2013 Probably would have been better in the rules section also but oh well... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan R. Posted July 1, 2013 Author Share Posted July 1, 2013 Thanks for the answer and sorry putting it here. Mods please move to Rules section. Thanks Jan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan R. Posted July 1, 2013 Author Share Posted July 1, 2013 I've heard they are not legal but cannot reference the rule which states it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gng4life Posted July 1, 2013 Share Posted July 1, 2013 It was an addendum from a BoD meeting that was voted and approved, here is the link: http://www.uspsa.org/document_library/Handgun%20Rule%20Updates%20of%202011.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan R. Posted July 1, 2013 Author Share Posted July 1, 2013 Thanks, that's what I was looking for. I just saw the new Ghost mag pouches with the magnets in the latest front sight and thought it was a good set up. Oh well... Thanks Jan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmca Posted July 1, 2013 Share Posted July 1, 2013 A little off topic but, since we can use a magazine in the front pocket during the "load and make ready" and "unload and show clear" periods of a stage, can I use a belt mounted magnet to hold the magazine that I load into the gun after the Barney round but before the buzzer? I know I could use the front pocket, but it would just be easier/faster to use a mag on the belt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gng4life Posted July 1, 2013 Share Posted July 1, 2013 Good question...hard to say but my thinking is no. The reason I say that is because the ruling exception for front pocket temp storage only lists front pockets, not magnets. When the "front pocket" exception came out, it was to address a specific issue with Prod shooters getting bumped to Open just because of storing mags in the front pocket. The ruling on magnets seemed to be very specific to SS and Prod so to alleviate any confusion, it's not a good idea either way but I would say no that it can't be used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan R. Posted July 1, 2013 Author Share Posted July 1, 2013 I don't know, it specifically states "Magazines may not be retained through magnetic means." That's about as straight forward as it gets I'm going to use the pocket loading method... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrumpyOne Posted July 1, 2013 Share Posted July 1, 2013 A little off topic but, since we can use a magazine in the front pocket during the "load and make ready" and "unload and show clear" periods of a stage, can I use a belt mounted magnet to hold the magazine that I load into the gun after the Barney round but before the buzzer? I know I could use the front pocket, but it would just be easier/faster to use a mag on the belt No, I even asked Amidon...no magnets of any type, anywhere, in Production and SS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmca Posted July 1, 2013 Share Posted July 1, 2013 A little off topic but, since we can use a magazine in the front pocket during the "load and make ready" and "unload and show clear" periods of a stage, can I use a belt mounted magnet to hold the magazine that I load into the gun after the Barney round but before the buzzer? I know I could use the front pocket, but it would just be easier/faster to use a mag on the belt No, I even asked Amidon...no magnets of any type, anywhere, in Production and SS. Thanks, that's not the answer I wanted, but it's the answer to the question I asked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan R. Posted July 3, 2013 Author Share Posted July 3, 2013 My friend emailed John Amidon about this because he just ordered the new Ghost three place single stack mag pouch with magnet that's in this months front sight and here is the conversation: > John>> I just switched to single stack from open and have a question. As per> the new rules for single stack, I know I can't use a magnet to hold a> magazine during a course of fire. My question is can I still have a> magnet on my belt for using at the make ready command and when just> walking from stage to stage? Answer: The rule on magnetic devices as ruled by the BOD states:>> Motion: Production and Single Stack Appendix will have the followingadded:> Each magazine must be contained individually within the magazine pouch.> Magazines may not be retained through magnetic means. Effective> January 1,> 2013> Moved: A4 Seconded A5 Passed>> It does not address during the stage or just walking around, it simply> states magazines may not be retained through magnetic means.>> John JohnCan I have a magnet on my belt for whatever use I want other than holding amagazine? Answer: There is nothing in the rules stating you cannot have on e on your belt,only that you cannot use it in Production and Single Stack divisions.John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmca Posted July 3, 2013 Share Posted July 3, 2013 (edited) It would have been nice if he said "holding a magazine by magnet means is not allowed after the start signal". Thanks. Edited July 3, 2013 by kmca Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zhunter Posted July 3, 2013 Share Posted July 3, 2013 Umm, those magnet mag holders from Ghost looked good too Oh well Here is a link to the item in question: http://www.ghostinternational.com/GB/page42/page3/page49/index.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steel1212 Posted July 3, 2013 Share Posted July 3, 2013 What I don't like is that if a local MD says you can't have one on your belt and there is no Internet access there is no way to pull out the rule book and clarify. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gng4life Posted July 3, 2013 Share Posted July 3, 2013 What I don't like is that if a local MD says you can't have one on your belt and there is no Internet access there is no way to pull out the rule book and clarify. Oh Lord, don't start that one There is a very lengthy post on here about the complaints on that topic but they are working on it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan R. Posted July 3, 2013 Author Share Posted July 3, 2013 I just print out the ruling and stick it in my rule book in my bag, just in case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sperman Posted July 3, 2013 Share Posted July 3, 2013 (edited) I still don't think it's worth the risk. If you ever perform a reload and a magazine ends up stuck on the magnet, welcome to open. Is it likely to happen, no. But is it really that hard to pull a magnet magazine out of a pocket? Edited July 3, 2013 by sperman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAFO Posted July 3, 2013 Share Posted July 3, 2013 But is it really that hard to pull a magnet magazine out of a pocket? I assume you meant this ^^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmca Posted July 3, 2013 Share Posted July 3, 2013 No, it's really not hard, but it is faster and more convenient. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sperman Posted July 3, 2013 Share Posted July 3, 2013 But is it really that hard to pull a magnet magazine out of a pocket? I assume you meant this ^^^ Oops. Thanks for correcting me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nik Habicht Posted July 4, 2013 Share Posted July 4, 2013 What I don't like is that if a local MD says you can't have one on your belt and there is no Internet access there is no way to pull out the rule book and clarify.Corey, See Section 6.2.5 of the rulebook, which makes it clear that the RM's decision on equipment legality is final..... My recommendation would be not to risk it if competing in Production or SS Division.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nik Habicht Posted July 4, 2013 Share Posted July 4, 2013 No, it's really not hard, but it is faster and more convenient.Then do it in the name of expediency -- but don't bitch if it goes wrong, and you wind up in Open.... :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steel1212 Posted July 4, 2013 Share Posted July 4, 2013 (edited) What I don't like is that if a local MD says you can't have one on your belt and there is no Internet access there is no way to pull out the rule book and clarify.Corey,See Section 6.2.5 of the rulebook, which makes it clear that the RM's decision on equipment legality is final..... My recommendation would be not to risk it if competing in Production or SS Division.... Nik not all local matches have a officially trained RM. which means it falls to the MD typically. Not all local MD do what they should be doing and keep up with the current rules. Trust me I'm not bitching, just suggesting that it needs to be in black and white, not just online somewhere. Edited July 4, 2013 by steel1212 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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