mississaugagunnut Posted December 23, 2012 Share Posted December 23, 2012 Okay so I started reloading 9mm on my XL 650 and I have a couple of quesitons. I am using 4.3g of Bullseye powder with Winchester primers and 124g fmj rn bullets. 1. Out of the approximately 200rds of my reloads fired so far in my well used CZ Shadow I had 2 or 3 light primer strikes. I pulled the trigger a second time and the round ignited. My primers are flush with the case. Is there a known issue with Winchester primers? Do you suggest another make. My CZ has never had this issue with factory ammo so I am confident it is not the firearm. 2. Do any of you have a favorite recipe for the components mentioned above? I would use them for IPSC or 3 Gun. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRobson Posted December 23, 2012 Share Posted December 23, 2012 Sounds like it's just an issue with primer seating depth. I use winchester primers in my shadow with a 11lb mainspring and have zero issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PingJockey Posted December 23, 2012 Share Posted December 23, 2012 Seating depth/high primer, would be my guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrumpyOne Posted December 23, 2012 Share Posted December 23, 2012 High primers. The primers should be under flush. I've used Winchester almost exclusively for many years, and in all that time, I don't ever recall not having one light off on the first strike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mississaugagunnut Posted December 23, 2012 Author Share Posted December 23, 2012 Okay, thanks for the help. I will look closely at the primer depth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiggerJJ Posted December 23, 2012 Share Posted December 23, 2012 with a 650, having high primers (espcially with Win primers) is almost always operator error. make a point of stopping at the top of the stroke, THEN seat the primer with a solid push to the rear. jj Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poppa Bear Posted December 23, 2012 Share Posted December 23, 2012 Yes give the handle a solid push on the up stroke. Primers should seat at around .003 below flush. If they are seated flush it is possible for the firing pin/ striker to seat it that remaining .003 and lose enough momentum that it will fail to ignite the primer. It will work fine if you strike it a second time because the primer is now full seated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Msfinlayson Posted December 23, 2012 Share Posted December 23, 2012 Yes give the handle a solid push on the up stroke. Primers should seat at around .003 below flush. If they are seated flush it is possible for the firing pin/ striker to seat it that remaining .003 and lose enough momentum that it will fail to ignite the primer. It will work fine if you strike it a second time because the primer is now full seated. +1 Winchester have been the best primer i have used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
56hawk Posted December 23, 2012 Share Posted December 23, 2012 I agree with everyone who is saying push harder on the upstroke. Primer depth is likely the problem if they fire on a second strike. If you do have lightened springs though I would suggest trying Federal primers. I get about a one in a thousand failure rate with Winchester primers in some of my guns, but have never had a Federal primer not go off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8811GUN Posted December 24, 2012 Share Posted December 24, 2012 I've also seen high primers when I didn't fully swage / ream crimped primer pockets. I use edge of my vernier calipers (ie straight edge) to "feel" high primers. I usually set those off to the side for plinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warpspeed Posted December 24, 2012 Share Posted December 24, 2012 Okay, thanks for the help. I will look closely at the primer depth. Are you boxing your ammo ? If not, it is a great time to check for high primers. The high ones stand out like a sore thumb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShooterSteve Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 Also on the 650, make sure your shell plate is properly adjusted. If it is a little loose, it will give a little on the upstroke, and occasionally not seat a primer fully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mississaugagunnut Posted December 31, 2012 Author Share Posted December 31, 2012 Thanks Shooter, I will look at that. I did something really dumb yesterday. I was loading 45acp and on the downstroke I felt a lot of resistance. Well being the dolt I am I just pulled harder on the handle, Snap! I broke the indexing ring. It turns out that the spent primers had jammed up under the plate and were preventing it from indexing. How lucky am I that the previous owner of the press had a spare in his parts kit. You really get to know your press and it's inner workings after a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8811GUN Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 Also on the 650, make sure your shell plate is properly adjusted. If it is a little loose, it will give a little on the upstroke, and occasionally not seat a primer fully. +1 to the loose shell plate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bugsy Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 (edited) I had similar problem before. Of 1000 rds reloaded, I might have at least 20 rds of no-fire scenario. A second pull (DA) of the trigger ignites the round. I am thinking of a bad batch considering I am already using an extended firing pin on my CZ 85C. I will be switching to Federal SPP after stock of about 900 rds re-loaded and another 800 WSPPs. Okay so I started reloading 9mm on my XL 650 and I have a couple of quesitons. I am using 4.3g of Bullseye powder with Winchester primers and 124g fmj rn bullets. 1. Out of the approximately 200rds of my reloads fired so far in my well used CZ Shadow I had 2 or 3 light primer strikes. I pulled the trigger a second time and the round ignited. My primers are flush with the case. Is there a known issue with Winchester primers? Do you suggest another make. My CZ has never had this issue with factory ammo so I am confident it is not the firearm. 2. Do any of you have a favorite recipe for the components mentioned above? I would use them for IPSC or 3 Gun. Thanks Edited January 6, 2013 by bugsy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PingJockey Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 I had similar problem before. Of 1000 rds reloaded, I might have at least 20 rds of no-fire scenario. A second pull (DA) of the trigger ignites the round. I am thinking of a bad batch considering I am already using an extended firing pin on my CZ 85C. I will be switching to Federal SPP after stock of about 900 rds re-loaded and another 800 WSPPs. What you are describing, sounds more like high primers, rather than bad primers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrumpyOne Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 I had similar problem before. Of 1000 rds reloaded, I might have at least 20 rds of no-fire scenario. A second pull (DA) of the trigger ignites the round. I am thinking of a bad batch considering I am already using an extended firing pin on my CZ 85C. I will be switching to Federal SPP after stock of about 900 rds re-loaded and another 800 WSPPs. What you are describing, sounds more like high primers, rather than bad primers. I agree. An extended firing pin wouldn't make any difference with a high primer.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob HESS Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 I have used Winchesters without any problems. Sounds like operator error that Federals won't fix. Good luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bugsy Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 Sorry for the delayed reply. With "high primers", do you mean primers are not seated properly? Those no-fire reloads all came from the same package of 100-pcs primer tray. Never had another one after that batch. I had similar problem before. Of 1000 rds reloaded, I might have at least 20 rds of no-fire scenario. A second pull (DA) of the trigger ignites the round. I am thinking of a bad batch considering I am already using an extended firing pin on my CZ 85C. I will be switching to Federal SPP after stock of about 900 rds re-loaded and another 800 WSPPs.What you are describing, sounds more like high primers, rather than bad primers.I agree. An extended firing pin wouldn't make any difference with a high primer.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowenbuilt Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 I always make sure to seat mine with enough pressure to slightly flatten them for maximum sensitivity. If I loose concentration and don't do that with CCI's I will get ammo that won't fire the first time. A slight crush on CCI's makes them a lot more sensitive and reliable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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