Sarge Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 Since surrender is not defined in the rule book and I can't find a ruling anywhere on it, What constitutes the "surrender" start position? "Wrists above shoulders" is the way to go in WSB's these days but you still occasionally run across "surrender". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevin c Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 The default I've always heard is, "Wrists above respective shoulders". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkrispies Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 I've only found in specifically defined in the Steel Challenge rule book: 5.2.2 In center fire competition, hands are to be held in the “surrender position” with wrists and hands above the shoulders and fully visible from behind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanky Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 do we REALLY need "respective?" who's going to put their left wrist above their right shoulder and vice versa? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Keen Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 (edited) do we REALLY need "respective?" who's going to put their left wrist above their right shoulder and vice versa? Old school gamers would put BOTH wrists above their shoulder on the "holster" side of their body, thereby making for a (supposedly) quicker draw. Edited March 27, 2012 by Chris Keen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanky Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 (edited) do we REALLY need "respective?" who's going to put their left wrist above their right shoulder and vice versa? Old school gamers would put BOTH wrists above their shoulder on the "holster" side of their body, thereby making for a (supposedly) quicker draw. eh, i didn't consider that but don't really how one could articulate an advantage. silly gamers. i guess i'm tired though, i'm surprised i didn't consider that. Edited March 27, 2012 by spanky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shootingchef Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 I see steel shooters with both hands on their strong side. Funny looking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 do we REALLY need "respective?" who's going to put their left wrist above their right shoulder and vice versa? Old school gamers would put BOTH wrists above their shoulder on the "holster" side of their body, thereby making for a (supposedly) quicker draw. I guess I am old school. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Anderson Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 Could you bend at the waist to get closer to the holster with your hands above your shoulders? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schutzenmeister Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 (edited) Could you bend at the waist to get closer to the holster with your hands above your shoulders? Nothing in "Wrists above shoulders" or "Surrender" negates the rest of the principal description of otherwise "Standing naturally" ... as described in 8.2.2. Edited March 27, 2012 by Schutzenmeister Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 Could you bend at the waist to get closer to the holster with your hands above your shoulders? Nothing in "Wrists above shoulders" or "Surrender" negates the rest of the principal description of otherwise "Standing naturally" ... as described in 8.2.2. That is an interesting take on it. I've always read that as...default OR what is specifically specified in the WSB. Not some combination of the two. So, if (as stage designer) I am not using the default, then whatever I put in the WSB is what it is...however lacking or complete that may be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LPatterson Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 Could you bend at the waist to get closer to the holster with your hands above your shoulders? Wouldn't that create another circumstance in that they are above horizonally but not vertically, so they are really not above your shoulders but are lateral to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skydiver Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 Could you bend at the waist to get closer to the holster with your hands above your shoulders? Wouldn't that create another circumstance in that they are above horizonally but not vertically, so they are really not above your shoulders but are lateral to them. Well considering the other thread about magwell flaring where longitudinal has been interpreted to mean "all the way around", there shouldn't be any problem the word "lateral". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
splashdown Posted April 8, 2012 Share Posted April 8, 2012 Thanks for the clarifications. I always thought the "surrender position" was curled up in the fetal position. That explains the strange looks I get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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