Leroy Posted August 22, 2004 Share Posted August 22, 2004 Well here I set with a box of parts going to my gunsmith in the morning for a new AP gun.. Screw it, I am building it all the way and if I can't shoot it at the cup next year I will take that cash spent on the trip, and shoot more matches here. IMHO.. Open should be just that open. Stand or go prone shotters choice..Run what you brung... I do like the idea of Open auto Open Revolver A modified class for the ipsc type guns is a great idea! Stock or prodution class melallic class is good also. Hell let's thorw in a Sling shot class too.. Hum now how can I get the stick shift -wings -red dot sight-and base pad on this baby and still be legal.... Leroy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maui1911 Posted August 22, 2004 Share Posted August 22, 2004 Well alan you were right, looks like there agenda was to stuff the sport . I just worry what will happen when the sport is hit rock bottom will they stand up and be counted as the ones that (beeped) our sport. No they will slither away and surface up some where else in the NRA. Do we really need them, is there away, to get it back in private running of the match, like when john bianchi had it. There is to many nra fingers in the pie i think, thats my thoughts, i would have thought with some action pistol shooters on the committee, there would be some lodgic there, but i was wrong, i could have lived with the prone rule that at 25yards you could go prone, because of the target change, but with all this shit happenning, going back to the cup to shoot and catch up with old friends, just dosent seem that appealing any more. Maybe we internation shooters and others should have a pole on this sight or some where else, and have a vote, and contact our governing bodies to change the rules back to what they were or close as, there is an other option, to think about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDave Posted August 22, 2004 Share Posted August 22, 2004 I had a long comment, but it will fall on deaf ears, meaning; we all know where we stand. I say let's quit talking and start shooting, eh? (the targets folks, the targets) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldfieldshooter Posted August 23, 2004 Share Posted August 23, 2004 Big Dave I've been following this 'argument' over many months.As an AP shooter for over 10 yrs, trips to 'the cup' and Winamac, a national rep, all I can say is that OPEN class must mean just that. I was at the competitors meeting this year, and YES I did walk out when I found I had travelled 10,000mls and spent many thousands of dollars to be told by the represenative of the body that 'runs' our sport that we are not wanted by them.If you bring in all the proposed changes you are running in Formula Ford not Formula One. Sure we can still shoot the match, we can still use our guns after throwing away hundreds of dollars of add ons but do we really want to.Is it really the Open Class AP that we all know and love? I think not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDave Posted August 23, 2004 Share Posted August 23, 2004 so...it's a money thing??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gm iprod Posted August 24, 2004 Share Posted August 24, 2004 Hi Ian, BTW don't drink the stuff Ian makes if you are not fully in control of your legs. You all know where I stand, usually in the corner sulking, but read the post from Action Pistolero and I think we are mostly safe for another year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldfieldshooter Posted August 24, 2004 Share Posted August 24, 2004 Hi Big Dave Its not a money thing for me but I think it is for the NRA. If it was just a money thing I would be last in the race. It is about people changing a WORLDWIDE sport for the sake of one match. OK it is THE match but probably most of the shooters of AP in this world will never shoot it. Do the NRA want to foster the discipline worldwide or just make a profit from the cup.There are more AP events shot every weekend worldwide than people realise. I realise that most US shooters don't make AP their only event but a lot of shooters internationaly specialise in this event. The average shooter is being penalised because one event in the US is not increasing in popularity and making a profit. I heard more US shooters moaning about the price of the Cup this year than internationals so it is NOT sour grapes on our behalf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRT Driver Posted August 24, 2004 Share Posted August 24, 2004 BigDave, It's a money thing ... to the NRA. They have been whining about the lack of attendance for years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhino Posted August 24, 2004 Share Posted August 24, 2004 They have been whining about the lack of attendance for years. Which makes their total lack of promotional effort all the more ironic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyH Posted August 24, 2004 Share Posted August 24, 2004 I have read & listen to all the coments about AP on the board. I for the life of me cannot understand why the NRA doesn't do anymore promo on ther own match. They own a magazine & TV program, but they don't even send a true reporter or let alone a camera crew to do there own National/World Championship. Then when they do a small blip in the rifleman they don't reconize all the classes. Each class winner should be reconized as a national champion in that itself & spend some time talking about each individual. This match last a week, counting practice time & it gets put into half a page in ther magazine. Then they wonder why attendance is low & some who come don't want to come back. This match takes a big back seat to Camp Perry, in terms of acknowledgement & press through the NRA. Doug K is now on the AP board, maybe a voice of reason will make some difference. Hopefully this will help, just my 2 cents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan550 Posted August 19, 2005 Author Share Posted August 19, 2005 Well, to bring us back to the top of the posts, here I go again with my "radical" ideas. Now more than in the past, ICASE seems to be a viable alternative to NRA AP. So here's the gist of it: 1997 rule book (modified) adding the later Metallic class and everyone may go prone at any distance on the range. Even kneeling on barricades is acceptable, so long as you stay in the box! Now there's a really radical idea! Shooters can do whatever it takes (within the limits) to shoot these courses of fire. New COFs will be added, and there's even talk of setting up the Nationals so that you can "throw away" one COF out of 5, taking the top 4 scores that you shoot! Then have a double elimination shoot-off at the end, similar to the Steel shoot-off they have now, but for everybody. Make it a family type event for a whole week of shooting, AFTER school is out to include more junior shooters. I'm rambling now, but those are just a few of the ideas floating around out here in the hills. With a small membership fee to cover administrative costs only, and a web site, we're off and running. After nearly a year of quiet, it seems that ICASE may go somewhere after all. Send me your input, ideas, etc, and we'll LISTEN to the shooters in this. Alan~^~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRT Driver Posted August 20, 2005 Share Posted August 20, 2005 Alan, Let us know when we can become an ICASE member. I'll be one of the first in line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimberkid Posted August 20, 2005 Share Posted August 20, 2005 Alan, I dunno about the whole "best 4 outta 5" thing, but other than that, I'm in. Where can I sign up? I recommend we treat the match more like a massive biker rally. Kids are allowed, and it goes all week long in the summer, but a lot more beer and barbeque. Also, flashers get beads and/or new gunbelts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRT Driver Posted August 20, 2005 Share Posted August 20, 2005 What, no fashion show like at the 'Cup? (But Bob P better be able to wear his Hawaiian shirts!!! ) Presentable works. And don't use the word "prestegious" in any description. No banquets, other than barbeque and the "champagne of beers" after the shooting. No "events" and ties no where in sight. Back to the way shooting should be..all shooting and none of the BS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allgoodhits Posted August 21, 2005 Share Posted August 21, 2005 Well, to bring us back to the top of the posts, here I go again with my "radical" ideas. Now more than in the past, ICASE seems to be a viable alternative to NRA AP. So here's the gist of it: 1997 rule book (modified) adding the later Metallic class and everyone may go prone at any distance on the range. Even kneeling on barricades is acceptable, so long as you stay in the box! Now there's a really radical idea! Shooters can do whatever it takes (within the limits) to shoot these courses of fire. New COFs will be added, and there's even talk of setting up the Nationals so that you can "throw away" one COF out of 5, taking the top 4 scores that you shoot! Then have a double elimination shoot-off at the end, similar to the Steel shoot-off they have now, but for everybody. Make it a family type event for a whole week of shooting, AFTER school is out to include more junior shooters. I'm rambling now, but those are just a few of the ideas floating around out here in the hills. With a small membership fee to cover administrative costs only, and a web site, we're off and running. After nearly a year of quiet, it seems that ICASE may go somewhere after all. Send me your input, ideas, etc, and we'll LISTEN to the shooters in this. Alan~^~ <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I got it..... BEYANKY KUP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg in VA Posted August 22, 2005 Share Posted August 22, 2005 Martin, No...No....No....No....No..... Greg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRT Driver Posted August 22, 2005 Share Posted August 22, 2005 Martin, You know better, being a Virginian, than to call anything Yanky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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