AirBorne Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 I'm going to start reloading .40 for the first time. I have an M&P 5" barrel and want to shoot major PF. I'll also be reloading for an STI in .40 but am strating with the M&P. My questions are I have WST and Tite Group powder, which would be best to use for the caliber? Also I have an idea of where to start with the powder but none for the crimp or OAL. Thinking of using the same OAL and crimp from Winchester factory loads that have been running well in the M&P. Any suggestions are very welcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 Both powders are well regarded. The amount of powder needed/used will vary depending on your OAL (for one). You should run more of a standard OAL for the M&P. The STI may feed better with a longer OAL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AirBorne Posted July 7, 2011 Author Share Posted July 7, 2011 Both powders are well regarded. The amount of powder needed/used will vary depending on your OAL (for one). You should run more of a standard OAL for the M&P. The STI may feed better with a longer OAL. Thanks for responding, I've been hearing horror stories about reloading .40's so I'm proceeding with caution. Been reloading 9mm w/o any problems, but want to be sure with .40 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soaringf22 Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 i use titegroup with 180gr berrys loaded to 1.125 OAL. it feeds out of my XD Glock and STI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poppa Bear Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 Does your bullet look like the factory Win, and does it have the same weight? If so then a similar OAL is fine. If the bullet profile is different then you need to find the correct OAL for that profile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AirBorne Posted July 8, 2011 Author Share Posted July 8, 2011 Does your bullet look like the factory Win, and does it have the same weight? If so then a similar OAL is fine. If the bullet profile is different then you need to find the correct OAL for that profile. Yes Poppa Bear they are both 165's, and I will weigh the rounds after they are reloaded. I plan on starting with TiteGroup powder at 4.0 grains OAL of 1.124 and crimp of .418. These numbers I'm starting with are from the factory Winchester rounds that the M&P eats up, just found out my STI won't be in until Sept. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdpaz Posted July 8, 2011 Share Posted July 8, 2011 and I will weigh the rounds after they are reloaded. Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bike Effects Posted July 8, 2011 Share Posted July 8, 2011 Does your bullet look like the factory Win, and does it have the same weight? If so then a similar OAL is fine. If the bullet profile is different then you need to find the correct OAL for that profile. Yes Poppa Bear they are both 165's, and I will weigh the rounds after they are reloaded. I plan on starting with TiteGroup powder at 4.0 grains OAL of 1.124 and crimp of .418. These numbers I'm starting with are from the factory Winchester rounds that the M&P eats up, just found out my STI won't be in until Sept. Crimp sounds a little excessive to me. I am using .4215, 1.125 OAL using Montana Gold 180's. Titegroup shot pretty well, will be testing 3 more powders tomorrow in my 5" M&P. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrumpyOne Posted July 8, 2011 Share Posted July 8, 2011 Crimp to the diameter of the bullet, plus the case wall thickness x 2. Your crimp should be somewhere around .420 - .423. Loading 40 is no different than loading any other caliber. All can be reloaded safely with due diligence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toddje Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 So if I understand, you want major power factor, but you're loading 4.0gr of Titegroup under a 165gr bullet? I'm pretty sure that'll be a nice shooting load, but it will make minor PF. You can look up some titegroup recipes here: http://data.hodgdon.com/cartridge_load.asp According to them (Hodgdon) about 5.1gr of Titegroup under a 165gr bullet in .40 SW should make major PF, and they suggest a 1.125" OAL, FWIW. I use the lower end of this Hodgon recipe (4.5gr) for an M&P40c that is great for eating up paper targets, but I'm sure it only makes minor. Hope that helps! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twodelta Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 What he said. ^^^ 4.0 grains of Titegroup under a Zero 165 makes around 135 PF out of my M&P 40 Pro. I use 5.0 grains to make 170 PF with the same bullet. OAL is 1.135, and I have no feeding or extracting issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miker Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 You might want to check loads with chrony 165gr montana gold fmj bullets col 1.190- 1.2 with STIs Executive and Eagle's .40's take 5.4 grs titegroup to get around 170 pf.....5.1 titegroup was around 160 pf or less (if my memory serves me)no where near hodgens data. Crimp is .42 depending on brass case being used this from my guns yours my be different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tAcTiCaL_D Posted July 13, 2011 Share Posted July 13, 2011 (edited) sorry to hijack your thread. since we are on this topic. looking to handload .40sw MINOR with clays or titegroup with MG JHP 180g . what recipes do you guys have and what OALs? thanks in advance. gonna use this for a glock 23. Edited July 13, 2011 by tAcTiCaL_D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twodelta Posted July 13, 2011 Share Posted July 13, 2011 You might want to check loads with chrony 165gr montana gold fmj bullets col 1.190- 1.2 with STIs Executive and Eagle's .40's take 5.4 grs titegroup to get around 170 pf.....5.1 titegroup was around 160 pf or less (if my memory serves me)no where near hodgens data. Crimp is .42 depending on brass case being used this from my guns yours my be different. Yep. I checked them this past Saturday. It was HOT out, but it was hot the last time I chrono'd them. I'll check them again when it cools down. I've gotten to the point I verify a few rounds almost every time I go to the range now. 4.7 grains made around 160 PF. I even verified my chrono with another chrono. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toddje Posted July 13, 2011 Share Posted July 13, 2011 When I had a G23, I used the bottom end of Hodgdon's website listing for Titegroup and 180gr (Zero in my case) jacketed bullets for minor: 1.125" OAL and 4.2gr of TG. I also ran some down to 3.9gr or so, which also ran my G23 OK. Worked just fine, was well over minor even with the short G23 barrel (more like 155PF), but I don't think my shot-to-shot split is what's slowing me down - it's transitions and reloads... but that's another thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OUshooter Posted July 17, 2011 Share Posted July 17, 2011 If you are going to use jackete bullets I would recommend a Lee Facorty Crimp Die. I don't measure the crimp persay I go by what runs. Turn the crimp down enough to pass gage, then tweak as needed to run reliably. I've seen gage passing rounds that didn't run because they needed a tick more crimp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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