usmc1974 Posted June 24, 2011 Share Posted June 24, 2011 Saying you can out shoot the masters after just 3 matches. you are ballz buddro, very ballz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Koski Posted June 24, 2011 Share Posted June 24, 2011 Clubs can have widely different talent levels. I've shot with clubs where I was very "middle of the pack." Other clubs I seem to wind up in the top 1-3 slots. Weird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EurAzn12 Posted June 24, 2011 Author Share Posted June 24, 2011 Saying you can out shoot the masters after just 3 matches. you are ballz buddro, very ballz I'm not sure where I said that...? Haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe D Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 Let's see how you shoot the Classifier. If you shoot Master then you can brag a little. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
usmc1974 Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 Let's see how you shoot the Classifier. If you shoot Master then you can brag a little. If you do shoot master, you can brag a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Watson Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 Now, Joe, everybody knows that the Classifier doesn't really mean anything; you can and maybe even should move up solely by match bumps. Kind of like the hunter who can't hit paper but can kill anything with hair on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmorris Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 (edited) If you do shoot master, you can brag a lot. You can be a 5 gun master and still lose. Go to sanctioned matches and bring home some wood, they will brag for you. Edited June 28, 2011 by jmorris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solvability Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 Masters have a big target on their back As many know. Good luck - one match does not make a master. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GSWEAR Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 Good luck and let us know how it goes! As far as I'm concerned if you've only shoot a few matches if you get SS is good and EX would be great and M would be fantastic!!! I appreciate your enthusiasm and if you keep having fun every match and keep the positive attitude your a winner regardless of where you classify. Greg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe D Posted June 29, 2011 Share Posted June 29, 2011 Jim, I agree the Classifier is some what meaningless, but at least it is a measurable standard. On another subject - I wonder why IDPA did not use the original intent of scoring targets the way they are marked. That would make things interesting. Zero down, one second or three second penalty. The "you can't miss fast enough to win" would really come into play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Watson Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 I was kidding about the Classifier, just didn't think it necessary to put in a smiley face. I will refrain from humor in the future. As to scoring, I disagree. I strongly remember reading that the original plan was .3 second per point down, increased to .5 to reward accuracy. How could you have a call to score the targets "as marked" when they marked MINUS 1 and MINUS 3. If the scoring formula were to be printed on the target it would be PLUS 1 and PLUS 3, wouldn't it? Too bad my computer with traffic on the old IDPA e-mail list and back numbers of Tactical Journal were burnt up and I can't be absolutely sure I am not making stuff up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragoon Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 I strongly remember reading that the original plan was .3 second per point down, increased to .5 to reward accuracy. I initially joined IDPA in 1997. You are in fact correct Jim about the original scoring of .3 sec per points down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Koski Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 And the original targets had the -0 circle several inches lower. I thought I still had some, but alas they are no more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Watson Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 (edited) Yes, they raised the Zero about two inches in the second run of targets. We are not trying to be anatomically correct, you understand, we just wanted to raise the bullseye. Because. Thanks, Dragoon. I also joined in 1997, #00177. There was an e-mail list that was the center of discussion in the early days before the standardized gunboards were as common, and stuff like that was posted there. Edited June 30, 2011 by Jim Watson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Koski Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 It's not anotomically based, but we don't want to shoot our people targets in the belly. I thought that was funny too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ahab Posted July 1, 2011 Share Posted July 1, 2011 (edited) If you do shoot master, you can brag a lot. You can be a 5 gun master and still lose. Tell me about it! My first two major matches after making 5-Gun Master didn't exactly cover myself in glory. 10th place at the Carolina Cup, 3rd Place at the VA State match...I'm not going to lie that I was disappointed with my shooting at both those matches. Edited July 2, 2011 by Ahab Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
usmc1974 Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 I shoot master CDP but I am not really a master.I classifed LOW expert and got bumped. I never shot a classafier umder 120. So not to many masters need to worry about me beating them out at a big match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
usmc1974 Posted July 9, 2011 Share Posted July 9, 2011 So I felt pretty good shooting today, turns out I shot pretty good too in CDP. Beat a master by 40 seconds... I shoot my classifier next month, still UN right now. I think I have a fairly good shot at MA right off the bat, that'd be pretty awesome *knock on wood* A lesson I learned today: -When "point shooting" at close range it's still imperative to bring that front sight up and focus on it cause I threw a couple low that should have been easy -0s but were -1s instead. If you shoot all zero's down you are shooting to slow. so, you are gaming it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane Thomas Posted July 10, 2011 Share Posted July 10, 2011 Unless, of course, you're shooting them really fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
usmc1974 Posted July 10, 2011 Share Posted July 10, 2011 Unless, of course, you're shooting them really fast. Yea well maybe, at lightspeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane Thomas Posted July 10, 2011 Share Posted July 10, 2011 "The only thing faster is light." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EurAzn12 Posted July 11, 2011 Author Share Posted July 11, 2011 So I felt pretty good shooting today, turns out I shot pretty good too in CDP. Beat a master by 40 seconds... I shoot my classifier next month, still UN right now. I think I have a fairly good shot at MA right off the bat, that'd be pretty awesome *knock on wood* A lesson I learned today: -When "point shooting" at close range it's still imperative to bring that front sight up and focus on it cause I threw a couple low that should have been easy -0s but were -1s instead. If you shoot all zero's down you are shooting to slow. so, you are gaming it. I don't get it, if you have good times and shooting all or mostly -0s, doesn't that just make you a good shot? I know it's impossible to always shoot -0s but ya see what I mean? And I know this is a can of worms, but aren't IDPA matches a competition? Therefore shooting to win, and "gaming" it, just a natural part of the competition. In a real life self-defense scenario, you can be damn sure I'm going to game the hell out of it and make sure I have the same number of holes I was born with when I walk away, and the BG has several more, preferably all in the -0 area Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Koski Posted July 11, 2011 Share Posted July 11, 2011 (edited) Fast times, down zero - sounds like the perfect combination to me. Koski Edited July 11, 2011 by Steve Koski Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBorland Posted July 11, 2011 Share Posted July 11, 2011 Fast times, down zero - sounds like the perfect combination to me. Yeah - in theory, but no matter the speed, if you shot an entire match clean, how would you know if you couldn't have gone even faster? A few points down shows you weren't going too slowly, while still keeping you very close to where you should've been. I feel I'm there when I add 5 - 7% to my raw time. Over 10% is too many, and you're shooting beyond your control, IMO. Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane Thomas Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 And I know this is a can of worms, but aren't IDPA matches a competition? Therefore shooting to win, and "gaming" it, just a natural part of the competition. In a real life self-defense scenario, you can be damn sure I'm going to game the hell out of it and make sure I have the same number of holes I was born with when I walk away, and the BG has several more, preferably all in the -0 area You're right. That's a can of worms, which is why, here on BrianEnos.com, we don't discuss "real world versus match shooting". Please re-read the guidelines for posting on these forums. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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