esskay Posted May 29, 2011 Share Posted May 29, 2011 (edited) The problem seems to be that anything good under 200 yards SUCKS past that, but anything good pasy 200Y is going to suck up close... Which brings us back to iron sights..... I am not a limited shooter, but this makes me wonder about something -- For this class, since you can easily have your optic co-witnessed (either lower 1/3 or absolute) with your sights, e.g with an Eotech which has a very large window, could you run the Eotech for close range hosing, and then turn it off and just look through the window to use your iron sights for long range if you are more effective with irons at distance? This presupposes that you are more effective at close range with the dot (which is certainly the case for me). Edited May 29, 2011 by esskay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Religious Shooter Posted May 29, 2011 Share Posted May 29, 2011 Some matches won't allow you to have irons and a red dot in Limited. The tinting issue would come up. If you co-witnessed you would have to look through the scope and due to the tint you would have a darker sight picture. A number of people use irons on top and use an offset RDS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric4069 Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 It seems what might be the hot ticket is a 1-2 MOA dot that you can turn WAAAY up to get it to bloom for the close stuff, and a TARGET turret for Elevation that you could adjust on the fly with repeatable clicks. The problem seems to be that anything good under 200 yards SUCKS past that, but anything good pasy 200Y is going to suck up close... I haven't seen the C-more mentioned in this thread for use on an AR. How is the brightness of a 2 moa C-more dot compared to a 2 moa Aimpoint C3? Are they both bright enough to not wash out in sunny conditions? Are they bright enough to be "turned waaay up" for the close stuff? Eric I think the reason you haven't seen the C-More mentioned here, is because it is a royal pain to sight in. doing it on a pistol can take quite some time and a lot of rounds because of the chincy elevation/widndage adjustment system that won't hold where you put it, moves when you tighten the hold screws, and looses zero when you breath on it. I can't imaging trying to sight one in at 300 yds on a rifle... jj Very interesting comment, thanks for the input. Eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kellyn Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 Different people use all sorts of different stuff. But so far this division has only been won with a good set of iron sights or the Leupold Prismatic. You don't need cowitnesed sights or red dots at one angle and irons at another. What you need is a good zero and the ability to hit a MGM swinger at 300 on demand. Whether that is with irons, an Aimpoint, an Eotech or a Pris is up to you. But I guarantee this, both Kurt and myself like to see competitors with all sorts of shit bolted to their guns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Religious Shooter Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 I'm going to put a Prismatic on top and a Fastfire as the offset sight. Please tell your buds at Rio to make it legal in Limited (or whatever they call it). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bagdrag Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 Different people use all sorts of different stuff. But so far this division has only been won with a good set of iron sights or the Leupold Prismatic. You don't need cowitnesed sights or red dots at one angle and irons at another. What you need is a good zero and the ability to hit a MGM swinger at 300 on demand. Whether that is with irons, an Aimpoint, an Eotech or a Pris is up to you. But I guarantee this, both Kurt and myself like to see competitors with all sorts of shit bolted to their guns. I still haven't decided yet whether I want to beat you and Kurt with this setup or this setup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrysuperhawk Posted June 6, 2011 Author Share Posted June 6, 2011 (edited) I still haven't decided yet whether I want to beat you and Kurt with this setup or this setup hey now, I don't see a single 1x optic on either of those... ETA: OK, I do see ONE aimpoint looking scope. Edited June 6, 2011 by barrysuperhawk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cas Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 How about a set of standard irons, and a pair of Dueck's mounted left and right. Not only would you have close, medium and far covered, but it would look really cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merlin Orr Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 From the ashes....... Ought to be some more experienced opinions now on this subject. Any new developments on the "best" non magnified optic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TXMXRACER Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 From the ashes....... Ought to be some more experienced opinions now on this subject. Any new developments on the "best" non magnified optic? +1 trying to decide on a limited optic right now. Cant seem to get on the priz bandwagon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtm Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 Merlin, Merlin, Merlin...the best, bar none, 1X optic is a set of Decot glasses and good old IRON SIGHTS! you have been around long enough to know this of course! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.E. Kelley Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 Merlin, Merlin, Merlin...the best, bar none, 1X optic is a set of Decot glasses and good old IRON SIGHTS! you have been around long enough to know this of course! Absitivley Patrick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrysuperhawk Posted October 17, 2011 Author Share Posted October 17, 2011 (edited) From the ashes....... Ought to be some more experienced opinions now on this subject. Any new developments on the "best" non magnified optic? Just to add fuel to the fire, I found out Leupold does do custom shop work on the prismatic [despite the website that says no] both on a custom reticle and turrets... That pretty well kills my main objection to most 1x optics, the lack of on the fly or internal range adjustment. My main complaint has been that no matter what range you zero at with a dot, you are stuck guessing hold over or under at other ranges, while with irons, you need to shoot 50y then 600, you shoot close then crank the sight up to 600 for the range... Other than that, the only other option I have seen is either an XPS 2-2 or a crossbow red dot and the crossbow dots are too big and spaced funky for this... I sent: > ---- Original Message ---- > > > Is it possible or going to be possible to get a Prismatic worked on > by the custom shop? Specifically, I am wanting a custom Bullet Drop > Reticle and M1 or CDS turrets. I got back: ------ Original Message ------ Received: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 08:30:54 AM CDT From: <product specialist@leupold.com> To: <barrysuperhawk> > Barry, > > You can have a CDS adjustment installed onto your scope and a dial calibrated for your ballistics. > The associated cost for this retrofit is $149.99 plus any applicable sales tax. > You will need to return your scope along with our ballistic information. > The following information is what will be needed to have your BDC dials calibrated: > 1) The caliber/cartridge that you are shooting. > 2) The make, style, weight and ballistic coefficient of the bullet that you are shooting. > 3) The average muzzle velocity, preferably chronographed as this is the most accurate data. > 4) The average altitude and temperature of where the rifle will used. > 5) At what distance the rifle will be zeroed? Example 100 or 200 yards. > 6) The mounted scope height from centerline of bore to the centerline of the scopes main tube. > Once your scope is received for this retrofit, you will be contacted for your credit card information. > Best Regards, Edited October 17, 2011 by barrysuperhawk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuke8401 Posted October 17, 2011 Share Posted October 17, 2011 I am wanting a custom Bullet Drop> Reticle Looks like they did not address the BDC reticle, which is what many want on the Pris. I think Dyno had a set of turrets made for his Pris, don't know if he uses them on the clock, but I think that would be a losing game. Leupold does have a suggestion form on their site, if enough people requested a BDC reticle maybe they would build it. The CM-R2 cut off at 600 yards would be great. My link David E. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrysuperhawk Posted October 18, 2011 Author Share Posted October 18, 2011 I am wanting a custom Bullet Drop> Reticle Looks like they did not address the BDC reticle, which is what many want on the Pris. I think Dyno had a set of turrets made for his Pris, don't know if he uses them on the clock, but I think that would be a losing game. Leupold does have a suggestion form on their site, if enough people requested a BDC reticle maybe they would build it. The CM-R2 cut off at 600 yards would be great. My link David E. You are correct, and I did drop them a note requesting this, as well as replying to the email. In a practical sense though [ no pun intended] the aiming points for .223 and for .308 would be awfully close togeather for a 1x optic, until you get to 5-600 yards so being able to run a BSZ for most everything and then easily dial in a few clicks for those long range buggers might be the hot ticket... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DyNo! Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 (edited) I got a turret added and I haven't fired the rifle with the glass on it in a match since then. It works fine and I don't plan to use it except for two or three shots in 2012. I can guarantee that I'll make back the $70 I spent on it though. I wouldn't recommend it though only because it will get used so infrequently. The only long shots I took this year in five majors that it might have been useful were at LaRue (480 Yards) and Blue Ridge (500+ Yards). With the wind in Texas, you had to pray your bullets onto target so a knob wouldn't have really helped that much and buying a knob for one shot at one match is something to think about. I did it since I had $70 I didn't need and I couldn't find someone here who had done it before. I really wanted to see the guy's face on the phone when he was thinking, WTF, this guy wants a knob for a fixed power 1X scope? Edited October 18, 2011 by DyNo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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