ima45dv8 Posted September 20, 2011 Share Posted September 20, 2011 This may come as a shock to some of you guys on the forums, but there are lots of RO's and match directors who don't spend their free time searching the web for rules updates. Say it ain't so! **I heard from some folks that they received an email alerting them of the recent rulings published last week. Even though USPSA has my email address in my profile, I didn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmanP Posted September 20, 2011 Share Posted September 20, 2011 Maybe I take my SC role too seriously, but as updates come out, I send that information to each of the MD's in the Section. I see that as my job. Yes, it is the shooter's responsibility - aren't RO's shooters as well? NROI makes changes as approved by the BOD. Those AD's need to make sure their SC's are aware, and they in turn to the MD's at the clubs, from the MD's to the RO's. You don't need a computer for that, a simple telephone call will do. Yup, only now hearing about it as of Sundays match from another RO and yes, we are RO's ourselves, have been for awhile. If it was really that important, you would think that it would actually be sent out to us RO's/shooter's/whatever. If it's not in the rulebook, how the hell are you going to say someone should know about it? If it was that important, there would be an amendment and updates that were sent out. We're not geeky enough shooters to watch and track these things and I would bet most of us don't go on this forum or any forum and if we do don't with any regularity. We're happy to follow the rules, you just have to put them somewhere like, say, the rulebook. Then again who would have thought something like that would have such a decision attached to it. That's like saying someone's put into Open because they used a magazine they put in thier front pocket or in front of thier pants to load their gun with at the start of a stage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cy Soto Posted September 20, 2011 Share Posted September 20, 2011 That's like saying someone's put into Open because they used a magazine they put in thier front pocket or in front of thier pants to load their gun with at the start of a stage. That issue was taken care of. You can read about it here: http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=135598&view=findpost&p=1531455 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmanP Posted September 20, 2011 Share Posted September 20, 2011 (edited) Thanks for the link. This was also relayed to me this last weekend which is why I mentioned it. All I can think of is is USPSA lossing it's mind? Even though that turned out fine, that's just crazy. I guess it's just poor wording that will get corrected down the road with an amendment in the intrim which is kinda what this is but not quite the same, just as crazy though. Edited September 20, 2011 by EmanP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vluc Posted September 20, 2011 Share Posted September 20, 2011 Maybe I take my SC role too seriously, but as updates come out, I send that information to each of the MD's in the Section. I see that as my job. Yes, it is the shooter's responsibility - aren't RO's shooters as well? NROI makes changes as approved by the BOD. Those AD's need to make sure their SC's are aware, and they in turn to the MD's at the clubs, from the MD's to the RO's. You don't need a computer for that, a simple telephone call will do. Yup, only now hearing about it as of Sundays match from another RO and yes, we are RO's ourselves, have been for awhile. If it was really that important, you would think that it would actually be sent out to us RO's/shooter's/whatever. If it's not in the rulebook, how the hell are you going to say someone should know about it? If it was that important, there would be an amendment and updates that were sent out. We're not geeky enough shooters to watch and track these things and I would bet most of us don't go on this forum or any forum and if we do don't with any regularity. We're happy to follow the rules, you just have to put them somewhere like, say, the rulebook. Then again who would have thought something like that would have such a decision attached to it. That's like saying someone's put into Open because they used a magazine they put in thier front pocket or in front of thier pants to load their gun with at the start of a stage. Ask your AD and SC about it and let us know what they had to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmanP Posted September 20, 2011 Share Posted September 20, 2011 Ask your AD and SC about it and let us know what they had to say. Not everyone talks to their AD or SC, knows who they are or even knows what those acronyms mean. Seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanky Posted September 20, 2011 Share Posted September 20, 2011 Ask your AD and SC about it and let us know what they had to say. Not everyone talks to their AD or SC, knows who they are or even knows what those acronyms mean. Seriously. Area Director Section Coordinator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmanP Posted September 20, 2011 Share Posted September 20, 2011 Area Director Section Coordinator Thank you Spanky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott R Posted September 20, 2011 Share Posted September 20, 2011 The question is how is it that he would be put into Open when they are shooing a different match right now? After they're done the stages will be redone for us Production types. 6.2.5.1 However, if a competitor fails to satisfy the equipment or other requirements of a declared Division during a course of fire, the competitor will be placed in Open Division, if available, otherwise the competitor will shoot the match for no score. or they'll just do whatever they want. at this year's single stack nationals they created an open division, and a few years ago at the production/limited nationals they moved at least one person to limited. Really?...They pick and chose which rules they follow at the NATIONALS??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Anderson Posted September 20, 2011 Share Posted September 20, 2011 Not everyone talks to their AD or SC, knows who they are or even knows what those acronyms mean. Seriously. Don't worry if you don't know who your AD is. He knows who you are..and is watching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmanP Posted September 20, 2011 Share Posted September 20, 2011 I know who they are Chuck, but some act like everyone should know everything simply because they enjoy the sport which is simply not true. There are some that regularly visit these forums and keep track of all this stuff, but there are many many more that do not and it simply doesn't matter to them. They are here to do something that they find enjoyment in, not be some super user. Sounds like an elitist tone when someone suggests that it's thier fault for not knowing a change that was made 5 months ago and tells them to consult someone that they might not know or care anything about. We are here to have FUN, not to be talked down to simply because one doesn't keep up with the latest and the greatest. 'Can I put griptape on my slide?' 'What? That was like 2 years ago and you don't know? Why don't you go ask the section coordinator and see what he thinks about that.' It's just rude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmanP Posted September 20, 2011 Share Posted September 20, 2011 Chuck, great job on 17th today! That is awesome! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skydiver Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 Personally I feel as though NROI rulings should be sent out via snail mail to all RO/CRO for the aforementioned reasons. Yeah, I agree. Unfortunately, 11.8.3 in rulebook tends to put tho onus on Match Officials to be checking for updates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Texas Granny Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 Sorry to wake up a sleeping thread but I and a few friends just found out about this and we're leaving for Nationals in 2 days. This rule has been out since the beginning of April 2011. Here we are in mid-September and you are just hearing about it? Not a single MD or RO at any local match you shoot said one word? You guys must be the only few production shooters in your Area. I am amazed that in 5 1/2 months, not one mention was made to your friend at any local match. This may come as a shock to some of you guys on the forums, but there are lots of RO's and match directors who don't spend their free time searching the web for rules updates. It is the shooters responsibility to know the rules, but IMO, NROI could do a better job of keeping the members informed. I heard an argument on another thread that we have to keep printing paper rulebooks becuase not everyone has a computer. I'm not sure I agree with this argument, but the only place I know that NROI rulings are published is online. Darn. Not only am I responsible for knowing every single law and ordnance in the Sate of Texas but also New Mexico,Arkansas,Tennessee and Kentucky as I travel through those states along with every single Federal law,rule or whatever I now have to memorize another set of rules. I would say your statement is unrealistic. There is an arms race even with a small book of regs. that are always in flux. Seems it's time for a complete reconsideration and rewrite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beltjones Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 A guy on our squad at nationals today had paint in his magwell. Luckily I spotted it and he removed it before the shooting began. There are still a lot of people who aren't aware of this rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skydiver Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 I think that most production shooters are aware of the refinishing for cosmetic purposes only rule. (When I heard that rule, refinishing meant rebluing the gun or having it hard chromed.) I don't think that it is readily apparent that putting a couple of paint marks in the magwell constitutes as refinishing. Or taken from the other perspective, the concept of anything not explicitly allowed in the Appendix or in a ruling is considered prohibited. If one looks closely, the current printing of the rulebook omits being allowed to apply sight black in production. Additionally the NROI ruling about paint in the magwell also prohibits using paint to help align the sights. Makes one wonder if anybody will be bumped to open for applying sight black. (As an FYI: When I asked JA for his opinion a few months ago about sight black in production when the paint in magwell controversy was happening, his opinion was "sight black is allowed." ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeorgeInNePa Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 Some people think these things through too much... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beltjones Posted September 25, 2011 Share Posted September 25, 2011 Reid - It was really cool to meet you at Nationals! But I have to ask... was it the orange paint in the magwell? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jar Posted September 25, 2011 Share Posted September 25, 2011 Reid - It was really cool to meet you at Nationals! But I have to ask... was it the orange paint in the magwell? When I saw open in the results, the first thing I thought of was this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmanP Posted September 25, 2011 Share Posted September 25, 2011 He got bumped due to his front mag pouch being too forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobmysterious Posted September 25, 2011 Author Share Posted September 25, 2011 According to the RO, it was the front corner of my mag pouch. After feeling me up like the TSA they kicked me to open. Y'all got a look at it, and you probably know my opinion on the situation. I'll be diplomatic and just say that I disagree. On the upside though, I won open! It was really cool meeting y'all too, and I'll be back next year to defend my title. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skydiver Posted September 25, 2011 Share Posted September 25, 2011 On the upside though, I won open! And did it shooting minor to boot! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobmysterious Posted September 25, 2011 Author Share Posted September 25, 2011 Maybe I'll make the cover of Front Sight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ima45dv8 Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 According to the RO, it was the front corner of my mag pouch. After feeling me up like the TSA they kicked me to open. Y'all got a look at it, and you probably know my opinion on the situation. I'll be diplomatic and just say that I disagree. On the upside though, I won open! It was really cool meeting y'all too, and I'll be back next year to defend my title. I don't think I got a look at it. What are you referring to? Was your mag pouch (with paint) posted here? You got bumped because your mag pouch had paint in it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobmysterious Posted September 26, 2011 Author Share Posted September 26, 2011 There wasn't any paint involved, after I started this thread I went ahead and got rid of that. No, I was put into open yesterday at Nationals because, according to the RO, a fraction of my forward mag pouch was in front of my hipbone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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