C.W. Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 I recently inherited a Webley mark IV. It's in great shape and I want to shoot it. (Showing up at a match with this thing and shooting esr would be pretty cool). This Webley, as most I am discovering from my research - has had the cylinder milled to accept moonclipped .45 ACP. I'll load super - light .45's for it, but I have no experience with moonclips. So my question is does anyone know where I can get moonclips for this revolver? (it came with none) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubber Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 You might PM CherryRiver as I think he plays with one from time to time. Or maybe he will chime in. later rdd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom E Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 He uses standard 625 moonclips. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Keen Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 I recently inherited a Webley mark IV. It's in great shape and I want to shoot it. (Showing up at a match with this thing and shooting esr would be pretty cool). This Webley, as most I am discovering from my research - has had the cylinder milled to accept moonclipped .45 ACP. I'll load super - light .45's for it, but I have no experience with moonclips. So my question is does anyone know where I can get moonclips for this revolver? (it came with none) WOW! You're a lucky dog .... I inherited a Webley Mark IV but it is not in .45. It's a 38 S&W, so not as valuable, nor as rare as the .45. Congrats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forrest Halley Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 Now how does one make it faster? I assume the double action can be slicked up a bit and the ejector disabled/modified possibly to allow the gun to break open faster? If you could make it so that it would fall open on its own you could do a really fast weak hand reload while throwing the spent cases over the shoulder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toolguy Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 Ranch Products has cheap but good 45 moonclips. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anachronism Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 Now how does one make it faster? I assume the double action can be slicked up a bit and the ejector disabled/modified possibly to allow the gun to break open faster? If you could make it so that it would fall open on its own you could do a really fast weak hand reload while throwing the spent cases over the shoulder. No, no, no. It was never built for this, and it should be remembered that you're dealing with a historical artifact, and that there are fewer & fewer of them every year. Even though it's already been modified, it's still a 455 Webley. A friend has an unmodified one, and I'm waiting for him to decide to sell it to me. I will get it, and we both know it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.W. Posted February 21, 2011 Author Share Posted February 21, 2011 Thanks for the replies, guys. Any info you have on this revolver is welcome. The moonclip question was my big one, if 625 moonclips work, that's awesome. So we're clear - I want to shoot this in a comp ONE time - for the unique factor - and to honor my father - in - law who passed and left it to me.(not to sound like a sap or anything). A parts breakdown would be really nice, if someone has a link. This thing could use a good stripdown and cleaning - but other than that it seems tip - top. (lockup feels good, trigger is smooth (but kinda heavy)),etc. If CherryRiver is the Webley board guru, maybe I'll shoot him a P.M. if he doesn't respond to this thread in a couple days. Meanwhile I welcome any information/advice I can get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Keen Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 (edited) ......A parts breakdown would be really nice, if someone has a link. Ask and ye shall receive! Link to Numrich parts breakdown Edited February 21, 2011 by Chris Keen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Sweeney Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 At the last Wheegunner Rvenge 12, there was a fellow on my squad shooting a Webly. It takes standard moonclips, and his reloads were very fast, and not at all like ours; He'd press the latch lever with his right thumb, while grabbing the barrel with his left. He'd then simply lever the barrel down, and hold on to it with his left hand. (Yes, he wore a glove on that hand.) Then he'd snatch up a fresh moonclip with his right, stuff it in, grab the grips with his right, and lever the wheelgun closed. Very fast, and for ICORE, no need for full-power loads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anachronism Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Low powered loads are a must for these old girls. They were originally designed for the low pressure 455 Webley loading with a cast lead bullet at about 650 fps if I remember correctly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAC Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Cherryriver is well know for his skill with his Webley and his support of the shooting sports I have not seen him post around here lately but if you google Bill Zeller revolver his e-mail will show up at clubs such as North Porter County , ICORE, and it appears Excell training group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GJ047 Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 Speaking of the Webley, anybody know of a good smith who can fix the timing on one? I have a mark 1 in 455 that needs to be fixed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cas Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 What's the problem?? A lot of what would seem like a big problem on most revolvers is S.0.P. on a Webley. (my two that I don't shoot nearly enough anymore) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cherryriver Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 I heard a call to action! Well, there's lots of things I should know about my Mk VI .45ACP clunker, but here's the whole story. I bought it out of a shoebox of Mk VIs back around '75, for $75. I used the then-current half-moons in it and just plain shot the same ammunition I was feeding my Combat Commander. Many years later, having spent serious money on a new 625 in the interest of competing in the cardboard sports, and finding it unpleasant to shoot, filled with a depressing amount of dross, and none-too-reliable in the ignition department, I remembered the old Limey buried on a garage shelf, loaded with 250gr Keith semi-wadcutters as the garage-stash gun. Lo and behold, the full moons of the '90s worked perfectly and off I went. I shot the thing with everything from Winchester White Box to cruddy old reload rejects- just like always, it shoots anything you can cram in the capacious chambers. It does, oddly, seem to love jacketed bullets. Never expected that. It's really almost accurate with the White Box, excepting the old V-notch rear sight confounding my now-older eyes. In one of the more bizarre days of my competition "career", I did an all-classifier match about three years ago and was mysteriously spot-on with my shooting and everything else. I actually classified "B", far above my native skill and practice level, and so pretty much gave myself a hoot and a half over the goofiness of it all. Yeah, I shouldn't be shooting full-power stuff by the thousands. I shouldn't have lightened the pull by bending the mainspring with a drill rod a la Colt's factory method. I shouldn't have cleaned up the finish. And I certainly ought not to be shooting it in USPSA. But I did, and still occasionally do despite my pretty much abandoning revo division in USPSA now that it's strictly an eight-shot game, and I still get a huge kick out of innocent ROs flinching when the smoking empty moons launch over my shoulder straight at them. Guess I shouldn't do that, either. Still another thing I shouldn't do is post the only video I have of it in action. Since I blew the stage by taking an unnecessary shot at the swinger after already two-alpha-ing it, I look even dumber than usual, not to mention the 30-some pounds I since left off the spare tire carrier. Still, the gun works and if the distance isn't so far I lose the little front sight in the haze, it works okay. And, it's entertaining as hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forrest Halley Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 Seriously....that's cool as H3LL...If you added a North Mountain Moonclip holder...ammo storage trouble would be done with. Nice shootin. +10 for style Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carmoney Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 Fun to watch that! Maybe Bill's onto something here! I have to admit I've been cruising around the online sites checking out prices on Webleys.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T3P_Guy Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 Seriously, any gun that flings empty moonclips from it gets a big two thumbs up in my book Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Griffin Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 (edited) But I did, and still occasionally do despite my pretty much abandoning revo division in USPSA now that it's strictly an eight-shot game, Do what now? Methinks you've confused USPSA with ICORE. And I'll go on record as saying that six shots isn't really a handicap in ICORE, either. Matt Edited February 28, 2011 by Matt Griffin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RevolverJockey Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 Fun to watch that! Maybe Bill's onto something here! I have to admit I've been cruising around the online sites checking out prices on Webleys.... Me too. I missed a nice .455 at a local shop a few months ago that was $225 with uncut cylinders. Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carmoney Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 But I did, and still occasionally do despite my pretty much abandoning revo division in USPSA now that it's strictly an eight-shot game, Do what now? Methinks you've confused USPSA with ICORE. And I'll go on record as saying that six shots isn't really a handicap in ICORE, either. Matt I think he's commenting on the fact that you see so many stages that are nothing more than a series of 8-shot arrays. By the way, that may be more of a local problem. Clubs that pay attention to good stage design principles do not allow themselves to fall into that rut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cas Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 Me too. I missed a nice .455 at a local shop a few months ago that was $225 with uncut cylinders. Lee If half decent, that was theft. Uncut ones are harder to find in here than cut ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickB Posted March 3, 2011 Share Posted March 3, 2011 (edited) I think the Mk. IV was the first "Mark" rated for smokeless powder? Grandma kept a Mk. I on the nightstand, loaded with WWII-vintage Canadian surplus ammo, but the latter shouldn't be used in the early guns. Edited March 3, 2011 by RickB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kframe_mike Posted March 5, 2011 Share Posted March 5, 2011 I've got one of these old rascals too.They're a pretty cool gun.Mines broken though,IIRC theres a little tab on the trigger that keeps the cylinder from spinning when its "at rest".Normal lock up is OK,but when I close up the gun,the cylinder spins on its own.I've never been able to find replacement parts.I'll have to take another look at it to see if I remember how that whole mess works.As far as loads for these things,they where made to burn Cordite,which I understand can get really hinky when it gets warm out.-Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.W. Posted March 6, 2011 Author Share Posted March 6, 2011 Well I got dies from Dillon yesterday (moonclips are on backorder). I still need to find a nice soft load. I'll probably use BBI moly coated bullets - anyone got a pet load like I'm looking for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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