SanduneCC Posted February 18, 2004 Share Posted February 18, 2004 When doing a magazine change, I keep my gun in front of my face, eyes to the magwell. What I’m not sure is how much to tip the gun for optimum ease of entrance for the new mag. So please look at this picture and tell me what my eyes should be seeing – 1, 2, 3, 4 or 5. Inputs from Ms and GMs are highly sought after. Thank you. (I will post this thread to GT and BE forums) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted February 18, 2004 Share Posted February 18, 2004 4 & 5 are not it for me. Likely somewhere between 2 & 3. One needs to consider the the angle that the mag takes from the pouch to the gun. You don't want to have to hook it in there. The path should be fairly straight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErikW Posted February 18, 2004 Share Posted February 18, 2004 #2 See Brian's book, page 57. I've got a Limited M card. But only A in Production because I can't reload a Grock worth a damn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pwalker Posted February 18, 2004 Share Posted February 18, 2004 In my dry-fire mag change practice, I try to swivel the gun until it looks something like your picture 2. I try to bring the gun to the point where I can see the inside edge of the right-hand-side of the magwell. Some people paint a bright white line along that inside right-hand edge to give the eyes a fast index point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loves2Shoot Posted February 18, 2004 Share Posted February 18, 2004 #2 but I rotate the gun forward, as to have a straighter path for the mag to enter the well. Also the muzzle is way to high from my perspective. Go to Saul Kirsch's website and watch the video of Travis T. He does it perfectly. HERE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SanduneCC Posted February 18, 2004 Author Share Posted February 18, 2004 Also the muzzle is way to high from my perspective I'm short! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sac Law Man Posted February 18, 2004 Share Posted February 18, 2004 Thats a good question, and the pictures add a nice touch, however, in the heat of competition I rarely see anything, it just happens as a result of muscle memory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loves2Shoot Posted February 18, 2004 Share Posted February 18, 2004 Also the muzzle is way to high from my perspective I'm short! LOL If you raise the barrel, it changes the angle and makes mag insertions more difficult, not anything to do with your height. If you watch the video of Travis you will see that the magazine goes strait in. To instert a mag into your gun with your pictures, you would have to bring the mag in at a pretty good angle, and that just complicates things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shooter Grrl Posted February 18, 2004 Share Posted February 18, 2004 #2 is closest... Like L2S says - you're muzzle is pointed "high" in all of them. You need to keep the gun closer to your "shooting plane". Also, this may just be the camera angle, but it looks like the gun is too high in relation to your body... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bountyhunter Posted February 18, 2004 Share Posted February 18, 2004 If it's a double stack mag (which is naturally tapered) I can just slam it in from underneath without looking at the gun. For a single stack, I tip the bottom up enough that I can see the opening in the receiver, put my left index finger on the front of the mag as a guide, and "look" it into the gun as I insert.... but my guns don't have the fancy flared mag wells as shown in the picture (I'd think I could hit that from across the room). I had a few embarrassing moments with single stacks where I hung the front edge on the frame... don't do that any more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ankeny Posted February 18, 2004 Share Posted February 18, 2004 Somewhere between 2 and 3, but I still suck, lol. I wonder what John Dunn will say? He has the fastest mag changes in a match that I have ever seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErikW Posted February 18, 2004 Share Posted February 18, 2004 I, too, was going to say something about the muzzle being up, but then I saw the pictures on page 57 of PS:BF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tightloop Posted February 18, 2004 Share Posted February 18, 2004 I join the general consensus, between 2 and 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Dunn Posted February 18, 2004 Share Posted February 18, 2004 I am very guilty of not looking. Part of my pre-stage self-talk is "Look the mag into the gun." Much more consistant when I look! When I see what I like, it is usually #2. I think as long as you can see the far side of the mag well, you're golden. Ron, you need to get out more! In practice I've yet to burn home a sub second reload. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ankeny Posted February 18, 2004 Share Posted February 18, 2004 John, I do need to get out more. I have never seen a sub-one second load in a match. I have seen you come close, more than once...remember I was running the timer, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted February 18, 2004 Share Posted February 18, 2004 I've seen Mr. ToughLove turn in one-second reloads to the STOP PLATE in steel matches. (We reshoot the match, Steve reloads to the stop plate as practice.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane Thomas Posted February 19, 2004 Share Posted February 19, 2004 1 or 2, depending on what pouch I'm loading from. Easy way to figure this out, just point the mag well straight at the pouch you're loading from. Then it's a straight shot (pun intended) into the gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skywalker Posted February 19, 2004 Share Posted February 19, 2004 Sandune, maybe you'd like to have a peek at a top-shooter reloading sequence? http://www.doublealpha.biz/images/travis_reload.mpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Anderson Posted February 19, 2004 Share Posted February 19, 2004 I'm a 2. You need to see the full lip of the magwell (the bottom lip) but you don't want to go much if any farther. The BEST reload drill in the world, ever, is the "burkett" reload I liberated from his first vid, ps 1-3.Start with an empty gun on target. At the buzzer, hit the button and bring the new mag just to the edge of the well. Do not insert it. Repeat, then some more. My avg par time for this is .6 THE WAY to do a sub second load is to CALL the last shot prior with unfailing certainty and get thy weak and to thine mag post-haste. Any uncertainty about the last shot, any mental clutter, will add hesitation to thy load. I do 20-50 of those Burkett loads every dry fire session. As Travis says "the middle of the load is the most important part." Once you are conditioned to seeing the mag just touch the magwell, the actual insertion is a breeze. You may be able to do blind reloads if you are grooved in the zone, BUT this ability may not be with you at 10:00 am, 45 degrees, sunday morning, classifier first stage. I've done a couple of .8 ish loads in practice on 5 yard targets, and calling the last shot makes it happen. Think about it...if you know, when the trigger releases the hammer, that the sights are on target, you can start the load with confidence AS the gun is firing. Even if that amount of time can't be accurately measured, the increased confidence in the next act makes it execute properly. SA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BSeevers Posted February 19, 2004 Share Posted February 19, 2004 You may be able to do blind reloads if you are grooved in the zone, BUT this ability may not be with you at 10:00 am, 45 degrees, sunday morning, classifier first stage. Steve That's why I don't shoot in 45 degrees if I can help it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ankeny Posted February 19, 2004 Share Posted February 19, 2004 I haven't seen 45 degrees more than about three times in the last 3 1/2 months. I am tired of this bitter cold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tightloop Posted February 19, 2004 Share Posted February 19, 2004 sorry Ron, It hasn't been below 45 but two or three times in the last 3.5 months here. They need teachers inTx too... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdj Posted February 19, 2004 Share Posted February 19, 2004 Temperature can go below 45???? (There have to be some positives about living in California ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted February 19, 2004 Share Posted February 19, 2004 OK...ten push-ups each..for thread drifting to the weather on what is turning into a real good reload thread. ------------- Back to the pictures...I think there is too much "yaw" in the position of the gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loves2Shoot Posted February 19, 2004 Share Posted February 19, 2004 Ok, I got motivated and took a picture, as well as I could. 1. Front sight is just a little higher than eye level and the mag well is in the center of the chest. 2. That piece of beat-up white tape is my focus point. 3. Thumb is out of the way and index finger is off the trigger. 4. The angle of the grip is one that points toward my mag pouch, this requires tilting the gun slightly higher and forward a touch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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