Gary Stevens Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 OK Boys and Girls, the new USPSA rule modifications are posted on the members section of the USPSA webpage under online minutes. Have at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErikW Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 Darn, the links to the IPSC draft rules don't work, so I can't see what some of the changes are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Stevens Posted January 20, 2004 Author Share Posted January 20, 2004 You might have to go to IPSC.org to access them. I don't know why the link isn't working. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Run n Gun Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 Gary, On some of the issues some of the board voted twice, both yes AND no. I’ll assume they changed their mind at some point but which of the two votes is their individual final vote? Ed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Stevens Posted January 20, 2004 Author Share Posted January 20, 2004 Some motions died and were re-worded and brought up as a new motion. Sometimes we had to vote no on a current motion, knowing a new and "improved" motion was on the way. It is kind of confusing just to read it. When a motion is posted, there is a lot of discussion and possible ways to make it better or someone might notice an unintended consequence. So it might be that you wind up voting against your own motion, so that you can vote for a better version of that motion. If you see more than one motion on the same rule, the one that finally passed would be the final vote in most instances. Hope that helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimel Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 You guys run on UTC for dates for the rules stuff Gary? Otherwise a bunch of stuff was posted a day before it happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew_Mink Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 I just breezed thru them and I didn't see anything I will lose sleep over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Stevens Posted January 20, 2004 Author Share Posted January 20, 2004 I blame everything on Rob Boudrie regarding dates, times, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shooter Grrl Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 Wow! I just finally read the IPSC rules and with the USPSA versions ( so few - you guys sleeping) i'm really impressed. The committees/boards did an excellent job with this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimel Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 So where is the new "Tactical Class" stuff for 3-gun? Was this just a nasty rumor or is it coming later? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Stevens Posted January 20, 2004 Author Share Posted January 20, 2004 The "Tactical Division" creation was in the previously posted minutes. It is simply a "Limited Division" rifle with a single optic, coupled with a Limited Division pistol and a Limited Division shotgun. It did not need any further modification since it did not exist in the IPSC rule book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimel Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 (edited) Ahh...so what was posted today is ONLY the modifications to the IPSC rulebook. Gotcha. Thanks for the clarification Gary. So, does this count as "publishing" per the by-laws? Any idea when the effective date of the new rules will be? Edited January 20, 2004 by kimel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Boudrie Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 Some motions died and were re-worded and brought up as a new motion. Sometimes we had to vote no on a current motion, knowing a new and "improved" motion was on the way. It is kind of confusing just to read it. When a motion is posted, there is a lot of discussion and possible ways to make it better or someone might notice an unintended consequence. So it might be that you wind up voting against your own motion, so that you can vote for a better version of that motion.If you see more than one motion on the same rule, the one that finally passed would be the final vote in most instances. Hope that helps. Although what Gary says is true, there is a more accurate explaination - I re-wrote the on-line system the board uses, and there was an error in the import process. The re-written system does not keep a history of individual votes, just the "real vote". The purpose of the re-write was to move to a database driven system, so that minutes would be posted directly from the system used to distribute motions to directors and tabulate the votes. In addition to increased accuracy, it gives the USPSA president the ability to post motions simply by checking the "post minutes" button on his control panel. I would caution against drawing any inference from the multiple votes previously posted. In at least one case, I personally hit "submit" when I had the wrong box selected; noticed my error and immediately corrected it. In another case, I changed my vote for a motion so that I could work for an improved version of the same motion. Also, the board members review the results of each motion before they rsults is "accepted as valid" and posted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOtherErik Posted January 21, 2004 Share Posted January 21, 2004 So is a whole new book going to be published soon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Dimaculangan Posted February 4, 2004 Share Posted February 4, 2004 question... in the new rules... JR age is 18 and under? or UNDER 18? im asking because its about turning my entry form for nats. this year... right now im 17, but by nationals ill be 18 - so im not sure if im sending the adult fee, jr fee, if i can sign the form or what not... thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoser Posted February 5, 2004 Share Posted February 5, 2004 Lee, USPSA Junior means you must be under 18 years of age by the first day of the match. So, it looks like you will be an adult by the time Nats rolls around. Arnie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDean Posted February 8, 2004 Share Posted February 8, 2004 Allright, now we can stop taking it easy on Lee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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