I used a J-point on my open rifle with a 4power jp trijicon. I liked it so much I bought the jp short Iron site for tactical class. It was the same position, I don't mind Moving the gun to use the sites but I never had the same confidence in the Iron sites, and couldn't get the hits. I now have a S&B short dot on that rifle and for me that is the way to go. . ( and for the price it should be!!!!!)