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@YVK I went to their site and they make a good-looking gun. What piques my interest is their accuracy claims in the two videos I watched. Sub 1" at 25yds with factory ammo. @Zachjet I'm going to google J&M (maybe J&M guns?). Thanks.

I shot two 2011s in Limited Major and Open for 2021, then mostly CO last season, and now want to go back to a single-action gun this season. And you're right, 2011s do set the bar very high for a shooting experience. Your discussion and endorsement of the 2011 platform is compelling given the length of your experience. And I'm glad to see another vote for the DS9. Thank you for the insight!

Thank you very much for taking the time to give me all this! This is very helpful to me.

Interesting about the Cheely vs DS9 vs Staccato--thank you.

I'm planning on having just one--don't jinx me

Interestingly, the ammo functioned great in everything but the G45 when it was brand new. I figured I’d have to change to lighter recoil spring but the gun cycled it great after it had 500 or so rounds through gun. Maybe a little break-in period? Additionally, I’ve never shot the steel challenge/110pf load through 2011 or 1911. The CZ is a P10F so that’s the extent to which I can give input. I would hedge and buy a reduced power recoil spring to swap in should you have issue in 2011/1911.

Thank you! I missed Shooter’s Connection when I was checking prices online. Quite a nice price difference.

Thank you for the Prodigy input. I’ve found that I like shorter pistols for the gun games so I would also buy the 4.25” version. The only part that has me hesitant is when you said, “after a simple trigger job [on] my gun with factory components” because I wouldn’t do it myself. What would I tell my gunsmith to do to the trigger if I don’t give him parts to install? Do I just ask him to “polish internals” and??

Thank you—good point about SAO not being mandatory. My issue would be finding a gun with a non-SAO trigger that I like to shoot as much (or very close) to a SAO. I shot a G19, G45, and P10F last season so I view Limited Optics as an excuse to shoot a gun with a trigger that I really like this season. I’ll do some Enos digging on really good non-SAOs.

From a woman's perspective, I don't think I'd have a preference for 5 or 5.4 shooting it as a range gun. For gun games, definitely 5" because I like handling a shorter gun. Here's a thought--this is what I do--I buy Fenix Ammo and PNR Ammo's reduced power/steel challenge 9mm load and that's what the kids and my girlfriends shoot when we go to range. The loads are about 110pf so they're nice and soft. You can shoot that out of a Glock 19 and it still feels soft.

Limited Optics guns Thinking about putting together a Limited Optics setup. Started looking at the Prodigy and then wondered about other single-action guns that might work. I established the criteria below, based on the tentative rules for Limited Optics and on my non-gunsmith, non-tinkerer style. Criteria 1) Has to be optic-ready. Meaning, I don’t want to have to send the gun away to have slide cut and recoated, etc. I just want to be able to mount the optic or buy a mounting plate and install. 2) Has to have a stock trigger I like (~2lbs) or can be easily upgraded to this (i.e., my local gunsmith installs relatively quickly and with zero-to-minor fitting). 3) Has to accept full 140mm capacity mags. 4) Has to have/accept magwell. 5) Has to be readily available (or close to it) for purchase. This criterion I think excludes custom guns (i.e., Infinity, Venom, Rafferty, Carne, D2, Brazos, etc). 6) Has to be under $3500 all-in (gun specified the way I want, and five mags) before optic and holster. This criterion again I think excludes custom guns and would also exclude Atlas in-stock pistols. The result was four pistols that each have little upgrade tweaks that I’d do. Those upgrades add to the cost so I started to think about how these guns compare among each other once I’d have them specified the way I want. The list below is built so that I’d have the gun and five mags. Three of the mags have to be 140mm, and then the other two could be shorter. For instance, both the Prodigy and Staccato come with two mags (17rd, 20rd) so I’d simply buy three 140mm mags and keep the shorter two for stage-reloads, for a total of five. Also, I will need an optic on each so I’m treating it like a constant and holding the price equal across the guns. Based on manufacturers’ information, I can get an SRO (or several others) on each of these. I’m also treating the holster as a constant. 1. Springfield Prodigy a. Gun, either 4.25" or 5", comes with two (17rd, 20rd) mags (1300) b. Infinity ignition kit for Prodigy (225) c. Atlas trigger (60) d. Atlas tool-less guide rod (65) e. Three Atlas 140mm mags (300) f. Optic adapter plate (90) g. Dawson Precision magwell (70) h. Total cost $2110 2. Sig P226 X5 a. Gun, comes with three 20rd mags (2200) b. Two 17-round Mags (56) c. Three Springer Precision extended basepads to bring to 140mm length (120) d. Total cost $2376 3. Masterpiece Arms DS9 a. Gun, comes with three 126mm mags (3200) [*comes with 126mm for IDPA but maybe they’d be open to swapping for 140s] b. Two Atlas 140mm mags (200) c. Total cost $3400 4. Staccato P Optic Ready a. Gun, either steel or aluminum frame, comes with two (17rd, 20rd) mags (2500) b. Infinity Adjustable trigger kit for Staccato (300) c. Three Atlas 140mm Mags (300) d. Optic mounting kit (160) e. Dawson Precision Gen 2 magwell (60) f. Total cost $3320 5. Others that could also work in the cost range but were excluded based on not being optic-ready: a. Dan Wesson DWX (needs slide cut) i. Gun, comes with two mags (1900) ii. Three 19rd mags (150) iii. Three extended basepads (120) iv. Optic cut (200?) v. Trigger work? (200?) vi. Total cost $2570 b. CZ TS2 (needs slide cut) i. Gun, comes with three 20rd mags (1200) ii. Two 20rd mags (100) iii. Three extended basepads (120) iv. Optic cut (200?) v. (I had a TS2 9mm previously and the trigger was 1.5lbs stock and I liked it) vi. Total cost $1620 c. BUL SAS II SL (needs slide cut) i. Gun, comes with three 126mm mags (2300) ii. Two BUL 126mm mags (80) iii. Three Taylor Freelance 140mm extended basepads (105) iv. Optic cut (200?), recoat? v. (I had this gun previously (but in 40cal) and the trigger was 1.75lbs stock and I liked it) vi. Total cost $2685 Note: There are variants of the CZ TS2 (the TSO) and BUL SAS II (the Radical) that would also fall into the "other" category, where they fit all criteria except for optic-ready. I would like to ask for input here please: 1. Is there a gun that fits criteria that I missed? Does this list resemble what you guys are thinking for Limited Optics? 2. What input would you give me here to more inform my decision (i.e., what else would you want me to know)? Thank you - Iliana

I liked this one paragraph assessment better than 90% of the "unboxing" or "first shots" videos on youtube.

I've had good luck with Fenix ammo's 180gr. Only shoot local matches but i've used it in two different 2011s for the last three years and I like the impulse. Freedom Munitions 180gr works well too but it's hotter than Fenix and hotter than I prefer. I had feeding issues with Freedom 165gr--my guess it may be a shorter OAL than the 180s. Although I used PMC 165gr for one match and they worked great and didn't feel on the hotter end. Sorry I don't have more technical info here but maybe this will help inform your decision.

Here's what I've found works--take a screenshot of your photo. The file size of a screenshot is smaller than the original photo every time I've done it. Then post your screenshot as the pic. If I have multiple pics, then I simply add them as replies to my original post.

that is a beautiful pistol

I got lucky and my gunsmith (who does work for a bunch of uspsa guys) rounded up a bunch of 2011s for me to come by and try, and I already had an SVI open gun, so I could compare across a bunch to see what felt best for me. The trick for me was finding a grip that I didn't have to change my grip every time I draw and have to hit the thumb safety on the way up.

Sorry, just saw this. This is the grip I bought (see photo).

I have small hands and wanted to put a steel grip on my BUL 2011. I've never handled a limcat, but I handled the BUL steel grip, PT, Cheely, LSI and SVI/Infinity. The SVI is the smallest of the bunch out of the ones I tried and that's what I put on my BUL. It was also the best overall feeling (and the most expensive).

I'm having a reset issue with the Timney+Vex that I'd like some input on. Bought a new G45 MOS for CO couple weeks ago and put Timney trigger in. Gun shot great. I have Johnny Glock trigger systems in my two other Glocks and love 'em and the Timney was about the same but with more crisp break--cool. Then I put JG new Vex shoe in and it functions perfect through 100 rounds at the range. Then shot a steel match with it on Sunday and on the last two stages, the trigger had a delay in the reset. I would shoot a plate and then have to wait (let's say 0.5-1.0 second) for the trigger to reset. I'm using the regular spring. I have the red spring that I guess I could put in but then I'm increasing the trigger pull even more (the trigger pull increased 1/4lb with Vex shoe install already) and I'd rather not do that if I don't have to. Any ideas on the cause and/or what to try? Thank you.

He’s quoting PT’s policy. It’s on their website.

I have a Shorty and I run 9 Major. BUL assured me that it's built to. I love the gun (and I also have an SV/Infinity open gun, so I think I have a good comparison). I like the BUL guns in general. I had a BUL SAS II for Limited that I liked.

Hi Josh—Yeah that’s me.

Great post

Looks great! I, too, took the plunge. Same gunsmith as original poster installed SVI/Infinity steel grip on my BUL SAS II UR Shorty open gun. Getting ready for coater now and I was going to post here when finished but figured I’d show support since SgtJenkins posted now.

@iflyskyhigh I'm looking for a reduced-power recoil spring for my G45 (so, same as your 19X). I clicked on the link you provided and they have the Gen 5 captured rods for the G19, but then I have a question: 1) do I get the Wolff spring for the Compact frame or the Standard frame? I'm not sure when they list it as "compact frame" do they mean the slide, or the actual frame? Because my G45 has a compact slide and a standard frame. Thank you--Iliana