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So 2 in 1... 2011 5" Limited
- Understand personal preference for both of these, but want to hear the pros/cons
1) Rear Fiber Optic vs Black background
- Easier sight / target acquisition & contrast?
- Too busy/bright to the eyes? Distracting?
2) StainlessSteel vs Aluminum Magwell
- Dry firing magazine punishment - stainless steel holds up better?
- Overall weight difference helps some with recoil flatness? Dipping?
Thanks for your comments and feedback on advance!
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On 7/8/2019 at 10:57 AM, ChuckS said:
Found the process. I think it was on the Global Village, author unknown...
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First, make sure that your spouse isn't at home!!
Remove any oil from the springs before the treatment. When it comes to magazine springs, I use to pull (stretch) them out almost 1". Wrap all springs you want to re-temper, in aluminium folio and put them in the cold kitchen oven. Turn the heat on at 275-300 degrees C (sorry, no idea what it makes in Fahrenheit). Let the springs be treated for 2 hours, after the oven has reached the designated temperature. Then turn the heat off and leave it until it has cooled down. Don't take the springs out until the thermostat is down to 50 degrees C, at least.
I still use all my original springs, except for the recoil spring. The recoil spring broke after three treatments, at around 25 000 rds. After that, I always changes the recoil spring after 10 000 rds, and I never re-temper it more than once. I have treated my magazine springs at least five times now, and I suppose it would be a good idea to change them now. I will save one of them though, and use it for practice extensively, to find out where the limit goes.
I will not claim that this is a scientifically appropriate way to re-tempering gun springs, but it works and could be done at home. Maybe another temperature setting would get a more optimal result, I don't know. I read about it in a magazine somewhere a long time ago, and I have only tested it this way. If anyone who reads this has a better knowledge in these matters, please send an E-mail to me.
Anyone who thinks this trick is messy or doesn't think it will work, buy new springs.
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Interesting...
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I have had good luck with both fixed and variable springs (Wolff).
Atlas Nemesis: Factory RS 11F / MS 17
Tested several combos:
RS Fixed: 10, 11, 12
RS Variable: 11, 12, 13
MS: 17, 19
Combos that performed well:
11F/17, 11V/17, 12V/17, 12V/19
For now I settled with 12V/17, but want to do more testing.
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Shooters understanding their sight picture limits at different distances to see what is an acceptable shoot.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.luckygunner.com/lounge/flash-sight-picture/amp/
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Transitions/sight picture... Recommendations from an Open Division GM.
Simple. Have two metal plates. Doesn’t matter the size. No time limit. No draw. Present sights on one target. Break one shot. When shot breaks snap eyes to other target while gun is recoil transfer gun to the new plate where ur eyes are at. Break the shot. Now u have a black dot on each steel. Repeat this but aim at the black dot. Again no time limit. So if the sights do not align on the black dot don’t shoot. Drive the sights on the black and break the shot. So you are working on transitions and accuracy. Once you get that down, then increase the speed. But again you are going for hitting the black dot. This will do wonders. Do this 15-20 yards out and 5-7 yards side to side.
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18 hours ago, Leftylivesmatter said:
The magwell funnels down to the shape of a mag to guide the mag into the proper position. Some were jamming mags in traditional magwells.
It saves you from that one bad mag reload...
I have the Cheely Magwell on my other gun and the self-correcting works great.
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On 3/13/2020 at 2:59 PM, MNshooter said:
I put the Limcat on PT EVO grip. Don’t let the “fitting” scare you. I’m an absolute idiot and I was able to do the fitting in minutes with a cheap old file I found in my garage. It’s not hard at all.
My bud has two Atlas Limited fitted with the LIMCAT Magwell...they run great!
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On 3/16/2020 at 12:57 PM, Postal Bob said:
So, in the end it pretty much is best with what the builder(Atlas) put in it. Though you state the builder uses a fixed spring, I always found variable spring best, as your test results show.
Atlas puts 11F/17 which does well, but I went with 12V/17 with shock buffer.
There was a trigger pull (lbs) slight difference between 17 (1.75 lbs Trigger) vs 19 lbs (2 lbs Trigger) MS.
The gun ran great on my last match. I still want to further test 11V/17, 11V/19, and 12V19 with and without the shock buffer. As able, I want to add some pictures and maybe videos.
Once I start reloading, back to testing again...lol
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So tested :
Fixed:
- 10/17, 11/17(builder recommended), 12/17
- 10/19, 11/19, 12/10
Variable:
- 11/17, 12/17, 13/17
- 11/19, 12/19, 13/19
Limited testing...MS 17 and shock buffer return to zero group at 10 yards - 10 rounds total per recoil spring combination:
-- 5 at a 2x2 circle in the ready semi fast
-- 5 at the USPSA target as fast as possible from draw position)
Best results;
- Fixed: 10/17, 11/17
- Variable: 11/17, 12/17 (smallest group)
I had limited time at the range. More testing to follow.
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On 3/10/2020 at 5:34 PM, cheby said:
I tried the limcat magwell on my PT EVO Grips. It took some fitting. It does not fit the EVO PT grips ideally. I ended up with the PT magwell. I installed it on two identical guns. One took no fitting at all, the other one was a little tight. Both work fine. I like the feel of the PT better as it gives you more room for your grip and I do not have large hands. The PT grip is slightly lighter compared to the Limcat.
On 3/10/2020 at 6:26 PM, muncie21 said:I have a PT EVO (AI) with Dawson magwell. Not fitting required.
On 3/10/2020 at 6:44 PM, Leftylivesmatter said:
Get a PT self correcting magwell. No fitting required.
https://ptrinity.com/product-category/magwells/On 3/10/2020 at 11:51 PM, 36873687 said:I love the akai magwell. Using on PT classic grip an lsi outlaw on new build.
9 hours ago, workingmanjeff said:I have a PT evo grip, went with the PT magwell, dropped right on, no issues.
Folks thanks for the feedback. Leaning towards a PT Magwell (no fitting) or a LIMCAT Stainless Steel (fitting req'd).
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Looking to upgrade the Magwell in a PT EVO Grip. What are the recommendations?
LIMCAT / Akai / Dawson / PT / EMG
Looking for a self correcting and minimum fitting Magwell.
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Atlas Nemesis / Sight Block Owners,
Current Nemesis recoil spring and mainspring 11/17 w/ shock buffer PF169-170.
Tried a different combination PF 171-173:
10/17, 12/17, 10/19, 11/19, 12/19?
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I will be trying:
Fixed:
- 10/17, 11/17(builder recommended), 12/17
- 10/19, 11/19, 12/10
Variable:
- 11/17, 12/17, 13/17
- 11/19, 12/10, 13/19
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Cheely Guns just run...I have a 40 Limited, no issues and very accurate.
My 40 Limited runs very good with 40 Long 1.185". Factory length ammo wasn't that great, but I am still in the process of breaking it in...
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22 hours ago, ltdmstr said:
Light mainsprings (≤17 lb.) tend to give a mushy trigger. Heavier is definitely crisper. I'm currently running 12/19 in my 5.4" SV limited gun (.40). Single stack .40 I run 13/19 and single stack 9 I run 9/19. For recoil springs, I prefer standard v. variable, and find Wolff to be more consistent in quality and accurate in ratings vs. ISMI.
According to Matt, my Cheely Limited uses 12/17 and it has a pretty crisp trigger.
Definitely would like to try a 11/19, 12/19 or 13/19 combo and experience the difference. Might try some variable recoil springs.
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On 3/6/2020 at 9:47 PM, Steve in Allentown PA said:
Mainsprings (hammer springs) never wear out.
Opinions vary on when to change recoil springs. Some say every 2,500 rounds, some say every 5,000 rounds. I change mine when I notice sluggish forward movement of the slide.
Thanks for the feedback.
On 3/6/2020 at 9:48 PM, 427Cobra said:12/17, replace often
Thanks for the feedback.
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On 3/6/2020 at 2:35 PM, forty5cal1911 said:
Here is a great video by Charlie Perez @CHA-LEE regarding recoil spring and mainspring weights as well as FP stop profile and recoil impulse.
Part 1:
Spring and FPS technical discussion part 1
Part 2:
Spring and FPS technical discussion part 2
Running Wolff 13/19 with CP buff in my 4" 2011. Was running 12/17 but prefer the new set up.
@forty5cal1911 very helpful, thanks for the feedback.
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54 minutes ago, Postal Bob said:
Adam tends to use lighter than normal recoil springs. In my 1911 .40 cal he built for me, he uses a 10lb spring. But, he also built it to use a shock buffer. And I've tried other weight springs, but the 10 lb runs best. Probably because of the shock buffer.
Does your gun use a shock buffer? I would think it's possible as he's using a light recoil spring.
Correct there is a Wilson Combat SHOK-BUFF on the Nemesis and on the other Atlas I have owned.
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I have a PT EVO and a Cheely E2 Aggressive. They both are good, but prefer the Cheely...better fit for my hands.
How does the Cheely E2 Aggressive Grip compares to the LSI Outlaw grip?
- Grip Size
- Grip Aggressiveness
- What Magwells fit LSI
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7 hours ago, zzt said:
For 172 PF loads I started with a 14 lb. recoil spring and a 17 lb.c mainspring. The gun felt better with a 12.5 lb. recoil spring and a 19 lb. mainspring. I have noticed no difference in quality or longevity between ISMI and Wolff springs. I tend to use ISMI.
7 hours ago, Yeti said:12 or 13 conventional with a 19 lb main ,168-172PF
7 hours ago, ParaGunner said:I always liked 12lbs recoil spring and 19lbs mainspring for 40cal.
Thanks for the feedback!
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2 hours ago, Postal Bob said:
Your best bet is to contact Adam at Atlas Guns. They build their guns to run flawlessly. So see what they recommend, or what came in the gun.
@Postal Bob Tracking...Adam's answer:
- Recoil Spring: 11 lbs non-variable
- Mainspring: 17 lbs
- Recommended PF: 169-170
NC Shooter's 200 gr 40 Long run PF 173 plus on my Nemesis. .
I am happy with the feedback. When I start reloading, i would be able to load for PF 169-170.
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20 minutes ago, jcc7x7 said:
11/13, 19
Thanks...Dawson recommends 13 lbs. I tried 10 lbs and 12 lbs springs.
- 200 gr PF 173: Both springs ran good, 12 lbs was better.
- 180 gr PF 171: 12 lbs spring was better.
Might get a 13 lbs to try...
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6 hours ago, MadBomber said:
That all depends on what caliber you are shooting and what power factor. Need more information.....
2011 Atlas Nemesis Limited
40 Cal Major
- NC Shooters 200 gr PF 173
- Precision Delta 180 gr PF 171
Note: Until I start reloading, then will try to stay PF 169-170.
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Couldn't find the old thread.
What recoil and mainspring you guys use and recommend?
- Brand: Wolff, SVI, ISMI
- Lbs
-- Recoil: 11 lbs
-- Mainspring: 17 / 19 / 21 lbs
How often do you change them? How you tell is time to change them?
Gun:
- Atlas Gunworks 2011 Nemesis 40 Cal Major Limited (Main one trying to replace springs)
- Cheely 2011 40 Cal Major Limited
Ammo:
- NC Shooters 200 gr PF 173
- Precision Delta 180 gr PF 171
Note: Until I start reloading, then will try to stay PF 169-170.
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Quick question for the group...I have relative large hands. I own a PT EVO and a Cheely E2 Aggressive. With practice I have gotten used to and appreciate the PT EVO, but the Cheely E2 Aggressive I feel is a more natural feel to my grip getting higher on the gun.
How does the LSI Outlaw Grip compare to both of these? Which one the LSI is more similar too if any?
Rear Fiber Optic vs Black background / Stainless Steel vs Aluminum Magwell
in 1911-style Pistols
Posted · Edited by cperazza
@arkadi@muncie21@IHAVEGAS@ltdmstr@Rnlinebacker@Silverscooby27
Thanks for the feedback...it is always good getting different perspectives.
All my 2011 sights are the predominantly Front FO and Rear Plain Black...Was wondering to see if trying something different was worth it.
My SV has an Aluminum Magwell, thought adding the Stainless Steel Magwell will help some with recoil. Plus it would last longer given the dry firing punishment practicing reloads. I do like the heavier pistols like my Atlases with Stainless Steel Magwells.