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...the current guns are dirty?

(Almost) Buying a new gun is usually my default state when leaving a match, lol.

This is a grade A pun. Well done.

Hey there Classic shooters, L6 guy here. Why does the Comp III have those little tabs around the rim? It seems like they stop the loader from going all the way down to the cylinder... but why would that be a bad thing?

Nice! I'll switch over to it if he needs competition (not that I'm actually competition for a GM, but at least I'm a warm body to race against).

GET HYPED. I've seen the stages and we're looking at a good match. Even better - minimal teardown on Saturday because we're shooting the same stages for USPSA on Sunday (and we can make those shooters do it ). Also, no one is signed up in Classic right now; I'll flip over to that division if someone wants to come play with me. See you all soon!

I missed that; I think you're right, and the PCC rule wasn't revised to reflect the new master rulebook. Good catch!

That's the rule for pistols: behind the hip bone for carriers (2 or 10 o'clock).

So no better than the old rules then, lol.

Literally every wall on your stages has a fault line?

That was my point, as well: if I'm separated from a surprise target by an impenetrable wall, even if there's not a designated PoC, I am logically not exposed to that target (if I can't shoot at it, how can it shoot at me?). Sounds like your SO disagrees, but that doesn't make them right. I was only pointing out that we've separated the shooter from targets using walls that don't have PoC's for years, and none of that wording has changed in 2022. I read the new rule as specific to vision barriers.

That's not true. We absolutely use walls to separate targets from the shooter that aren't "positions of cover" or a vision barrier. Think of a box made from walls with a target in the middle and an opening on the uprange wall that's marked as a PoC. The side walls in that situation aren't cover, as there's no shooting position, but they sure as hell aren't a vision barrier, as then I could just lean around the side and shoot through them rather than going to the PoC. To extrapolate that, move one of those walls so it's separating the shooter from a target that's in the open. There's no position of cover to shoot from, but the shooter also can throw rounds through the wall at the target. I'd assume the shooter is covered if they want to reload.

Isn't it only a PE if the only thing separating you from the surprise target is a vision barrier? What if it's hard cover, like a wall?

Thanks for the clarifications; that makes a lot of sense (even if the rule change doesn't). I run an indoor match so we don't use true vision barriers often (ie. penetrable). You're right, you can't. However, you could go dry behind cover and the next target is behind a vision barrier, so you'd have to reload before moving.

Which vision barrier change is this? I'm running my first match under the new rules this weekend and want to make sure I'm tracking everything.

100% agree but it's weird that it's allowed. It would actually be the same thing if a semi-auto shooter racked a round out so they could drop an empty mag to reload. I don't think this is the intention of the rule but it's how it's currently written.

Another fun thing that a fellow revolver shooter pointed out: the new rule book dropped "or loose ammunition" from the section regarding reloading PE's, meaning now you're only penalized for leaving behind "loading devices" with ammo. So, if you're shooting a revolver with speed loaders, you can *technically* dump unfired rounds out of the cylinder at any time without a penalty. That seems... interesting.

Not sure if anyone else caught this, but loading past division capacity is now a flagrant penalty. Brb, ordering 10-round G17 mags... Yikes.

All of the local MD's here got together and went over the new rules. This was also our interpretation; needs to retain the mag and be concealed, but all other restrictions are pretty much gone. Same on the holster retention screws and how low the mouth of the holster can be.

PAT JONES IS MY HERO. And I'm not ashamed to admit to it. Congrats to everyone who shot and survived! I'm tentatively planning to do the IRC this year so hopefully I'll see some of you there. And/or, feel free to come to the ICORE Rocky Mountain Regional. I hear the match director is a total stud.

People far more well-versed than me have spoken, but I promised an update... so here we go. I installed the RevUp kit in my hooptie/beater 627. This gun has never been set up by a gunsmith and has only been tuned by me. Despite my best efforts, it's been problematic, and has never run at less than a 8.5lb pull. I worked the strain screw up on the RevUp until I had 100% ignition. This wound up being pretty close to the same weight as my previous configuration but initially felt better because of the shorter nature of the pull. I then ran this gun in three USPSA matches: two locals and the Colorado state championship. First local was a short indoor match. The gun ran without any problems. The second local was one of the most horrendous outdoor matches I've every shot, with winds getting into the 40-50 mph range sustained and gusts even faster. All of our gear (and us) were getting sandblasted but the gun ran without issue. I noticed that my hits on paper seemed to be closer together than they were with a traditional ignition setup and I shot steel decently well. Bighorn, the CO state championship, decided to take the crown as easily the most horrendous outdoor match I've ever shot. I did all eleven stages in one day and, during that day, we got to experience a 40-degree temperature drop, 65 mph winds (with dust), thunder, rain, sleet, and hail (and getting royally RO-****ed, but that's a different story). These were literally the most exacerbating circumstances I could have asked for and the gun ran without a hiccup despite not having a frame lock or a plug in its place. However, as the day wore on, I found that I was having a serious problem with poppers and even missed some paper than I shouldn't have. Bighorn pushed my shooting more than the locals insofar as I was shooting at tougher arrays, further targets, more movers, etc. (I did win, but there was only three of us so it doesn't count). I did a lot of thinking and experimenting afterwards. My biggest issue is that I've always partially staged the trigger and then pulled through when shooting hard shots. I fully acknowledge this isn't the best way to shoot but it is what it is for me. That method is literally impossible with the RevUp; once you clear the initial wall, the trigger goes full-send to the break. This would be ideal if I could get this particular gun to run with a lighter trigger pull, but at 8.5 lbs, there's too much front sight wander when getting the hammer in motion. I think that's my final verdict on the system: it's better than a traditional ignition setup, but only if your gun will run at a low-ish pull weight. I'd rather have a "standard" trigger at 8+ lbs. I returned the gun to its original configuration for now. I want to experiment with it more further down the line but I'm quitting USPSA Revo for a while and would rather have the 627's trigger pull feel closer to the Rhinos' I run in IDPA and ICORE. I feel like I need to underscore that these kits do exactly what Protocall advertises and it's an issue with my gun that's preventing me from dropping the pull weight to where it needs to be. I'd recommend these to anyone with even a slight inclination toward tinkering (which is all revolver shooters as far as I can tell, lol).

Yes! They seem to go one way or the other - the one on my V-Comp has that up/down wiggle and the one on my hooptie is so tight it barely moves. Glad it's not just me, lol. I use Aluminum Black, too. It doesn't seem to take as well as cold blue does to steel but it works well enough.

Appreciate all the feedback! Definitely going to look into them. Personally, I didn't like the adjustment method on the Rough Country. Mine also loosened under fairly mild recoil.

I've always ignored these because they don't look like they're meant for standard S&W revolvers, but I guess they just added a shroud to the standard mount. Anyone use one? Any advantage over a stock unit with a Weigand blade?

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