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I had the same problem. I really liked it otherwise but eventually decided I need to master the basic grip first so I took it off. I’d only been shooting pistols for about a year at that time. I do plan to go back to it eventually

We define "tiny bit" differently...10 to 12% is not a "tiny bit" to me and that was the difference I saw on more than one classifier I shot (post 6-28-18).

I don't nor do I think anyone should give the MD grief about the classifier they chose to run. IMO the MD should try to use different classifiers they emphasize different skill sets and be similar to what a "normal" stage in USPSA would be. I personally think, par time classifiers are not good indicators of a person's shooting abilities. Again, I don't pick the classifier that I will be shooting at a particular match nor do I know what it will be prior to the match. I look at different classifiers as testing different skill sets. A guy I often squad with is the exact opposite type of shooter compared to me. He is an accuracy guy and I tend to do better with speed. This is reflected when we shoot different classifiers. If the classifier emphasizes difficult shots, he is probably going to beat me. If the classifier emphasizes speed, especially with spinning draws, I am going to beat him. We both understand our strengths and weaknesses and work on the weaknesses accordingly.

We are going to have to agree to disagree. If this change was so needed (as some have argued) and changing the percentages is the only fair way to judge classifications, then it should be done retroactively so that everyone's classification is being determined on the same playing field. Making a certain classification prior to 6-2-18 is not the same as making it after. I personally do not want to see retroactive re-classifications, but that is only way a certain classification would be same for everyone. I am sure the reason USPSA didn't do this is because they knew they would have even more p#ssed off members on their hands. The fact is that any classification you received before 6-28-18 is much different than after (at least in Limited).

It’s funny because there are all kinds of threads on grip, but very few about how the gun fits your hand. When I first started this sport, I struggled forever trying to get my grip right on my gun. I was consistently inconsistent. In my case, the grip was too damn small. When I switched from a plastic gun to a 2011 with the PT grip suddenly the heavens opened and I didn’t have fight the gun so much. Literally within 15 minutes I could draw it faster with a better grip than I had my entire first season. As I have learned more about the support, I have gone back and tried that gun and I still have never been able to get a consistent grip with it.

I have shot IDPA and it's not what I want to do. On the road to improvement, I feel it is important to make goals. For my first 1.5 years of USPSA, I never worried about my classification because I knew I had a lot of low lying fruit beyond how fast I could draw and reload. At the end of last year, I found I was now beating many people with a classification above me and I felt my movement and other things were getting better so I made it one of my goals to work on classifier skills (draws and reloads) and raise my classification by one. I would still work on the other things and had other goals, but moving up in classification was a goal I set for 2018. If the all classifier match I shot this past weekend had been one week earlier, I would have met my goal. It is not any more complex than that. I never set a goal to be Master in IDPA because that is not what I shoot. You may think this goal is stupid and that's fine, but every waking moment that I am not at work or with my family, I am doing something to improve myself in USPSA...so yeah, this goal was important to me.

I shot 6 classifiers on Saturday. All of them went up and most were in double digits. I don't pick the Classifiers the clubs I shot at chose to have, nor do I know what the Classifier will be prior to getting to the match. At least in Limited, I have not seen any go down. I would be willing to bet that there will be a lot less people moving up from D to C, C to B, B to A, A to M, and M to GM this year after 6-28-18. On 6-27-18 if a person was a 55%, on 6-29-18 they became about a 45%. That's a lot longer hill to climb.

Thanks for posting. I am sure there are a number of good shooters on this thread, but I have seen some of your videos so I know you are a h#ll of a shooter. I am working hard to improve but by no means at your level. It is nice to see (for a less skilled shooter like myself who is trying to work my way up) that I am not the only one who has significant disagreements with how this was enacted. It sounds like you, just like me, made it goal to move up in your classification. I am sure that you, like me, have put in countless hours trying to make that goal. It sounds like you, like me, are very frustrated that you may not meet that goal in time frame you allotted, not because you didn't improve, but only because you didn't get enough classifiers in by 6-28-18. I shot an all Classifier match this past weekend that I had been looking forward to for months (when I first learned about it). Based on the "old" classifications, I met that goal. Based on the new classifications, my overall percentage went down. THAT IS FRUSTRATING!!! At least in my division (Limited), if you really want to know what a person's "true" classification is, there should be an asterisk beside their classification to indicate if they achieved that classification pre- or post- 6-28-18. As you said, I am done being mad about this...simply because I can't change it and I need to focus on improvement again. I can say that if new organization comes out with a format similar to USPSA which attracts great shooters, I will have no problems leaving USPSA after this. If the data was so wrong that we were using, it should have been corrected over time (maybe a 1/4 of the change per year for 4 years) or something similar...not a 10 to 12% in one day...that's just my humble opinion.

Thanks, I missed that earlier and wasn't aware of this thread.

6 out of 8 but no throw outs because of poor performance. I have been told to that from GMs to Cs since I first started USPSA. At least at a lot of local matches, that's what many of them do. Maybe people see it differently at different places.

IMHO it is not an accurate representation no matter which numbers they are using. Unless you are a D, bad Classifiers are thrown out (5% less than your current ranking). That promotes spray and pray. If you get lucky and hook up, you get a great score. If you do poorly because you shot too fast, then it doesn't count..

My Very frustrating....I have been working hard to move up. Had I shot the previous weekend what I did this past Saturday, I would have met my goal. As it turns, my score will actually drop instead of moving up.

I checked 6 different Classifiers (random selection) and 5 of them had a double digit change. I am having trouble wrapping my head around that one. Thanks for your response because at least this gives me an idea of the theory behind it.

Can someone please explain why USPSA recently (6-28-18) felt the need to make such drastic changes to the Classifier percentages? I get that some of the newer division (PCC and CO) still need data analyzed, but in Limited for example, there is 12% drop in score on 6-28-18 or later compared to the week before on the Classifier I shot this weekend...ie what would have been a 69% has dropped to 57%. Limited division has been around since the early 1990s and the rules haven't changed to the best of my knowledge so how can it be that different? I have heard the same thing has happened with Open (I haven't checked that because I don't shoot Open).

Yeah, can’t think of any other options.

I was actually going to reference this video. Glad you posted it.

This makes sense to me. It is similar to increasing your grip strength. The stronger your grip, the less percentage of your strength you have to use in order to stabilize the gun. I have been wondering about the same thing for Traeger speed, but so far I have not been successful at increasing it.

I am far from an expert so take this for what it’s worth. Your support hand looks to be pretty low. Can you get it any higher so that you can lock the wrist of your support hand? Are you intorting with both hands? If yes to the latter question, have tried bending you elbows a little more so you can crush the frame of the gun (I.e. apply more pressure on the sides of the gun)?

Doublehelix has a very good point. I started in Production shooting a polymer gun w/o a manual safety. I found that I liked the fast movement and not reloading all the time so I switched to Limited with the same gun (just added magwell). In the beginning, I would shoot the morning match with one gun and the afternoon with the other. I shot better with the 9. Finally, I decided to commit to.40. It still took a little while before I got back to the level I was at with the 9, but I have now passed that level and will not go back to a 9 for as long as I shoot Limited.

Obviously, I am no expert, but most say just barely lift your finger off the trigger if you are practicing rapid fire. As far drills go, watch the sights every time you pull the trigger. Ben mentioned aiming at nothing with a white wall just to see how much they move.

Ghorsley, Ben recommends pulling on the dead trigger twice as hard you think you need to.

You hit the nail on the head. At 15 yards, I noticed I had to start slowing down on the trigger if I wanted to get one for one. I thought that was a deficiency in my trigger control as I hear a lot of people say that they’re gun doesn’t move at all. I realize the pros slow down for difficult shots but I wasn’t sure if that was because they were getting a better sight picture, slowing the speed of the trigger press, or both. Knowing it is both helps realize that my trigger press at all out speed may not be as bad as I thought. I just wanted to say thanks to all of you who have contributed to this thread. Crash, Memphis, of course BE, and others, I really learned a lot about realistic expectations of trigger press/control and feel like I gained a much better idea of where I should dedicate my resources for training....my low lying fruit. FYI I have never talking about follow up splits, double tap, etc.