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Thank you for informing me that I can shoot some other sport if I don’t like this rule change, but since my complaint was about how this affects others and not myself, I plan to stay put. I was hoping we could he could have a productive conversation (although that doesn’t appear to be the case) so that perhaps enough pressure would be put on the USPSA admins that they might consider the membership before changes are made. I will end this by noting that I am pretty sure the bylaws were relatively recently changed to allow the admin to make their own changes sooner. Didn’t it used to take 2 years? If that is the case, at least in the past, the “dictatorship “ had to wait 2 years before enacting a change.

With technology today it is extremely easy to poll. I wish they would use polls to make decisions on anything that is not safety or competitive equity related.

I am not an MD. I am not an excellent shooter. I am a normal USPSA member. I do squad with plenty of newbies who shoot CO who discuss matters with me regarding our division. Somebody new to the sport is not very likely to tell the MD that they don’t like this or that about our sport. This isn’t the point so I won’t discuss this any further. Here’s what is important: We have covered whether weight affects the shooting plenty. We are going to have to agree to disagree on how weight affects the average USPSA member. That is not what I am fixated on. I am fixated on the fact that people spent money to lighten their slides to make weight in a division and suddenly the rules on weight change making that a waste of money. I am fixated on the fact that CO is the fastest growing division and an unnecessary change was made. I am fixated on constantly changing rules that don’t affect safety or competitive equity are not good for the sport. As I said in an earlier post, I agree with your point on changing the other rules because it affects competitive equity.

Here’s another news flash. Someone that is new to the game probably doesn’t have the recoil control that you do. Yes, a skilled shooter can shoot a Glock as fast as a DA/SA, but that’s not what I am referring to. I have seen people come from EDC/tactical and see this as not realistic guns and get turned off. There should be a division or two that new shooters can shoot against similar guns. They are more likely to stick with the sport. Yes, eventually they will get an optimized gun but they should get a chance to use their home defense gun and have a shot at doing well at locals. Regardless, how can you agree changing rules in a whim that don’t involve a safety issue be good for the sport? I am willing to bet you when every other limited major shooter would not be happy if we got rid of major power factor in limited just one day. Yes raising the weight is not the same as changing power factors but it’s still messing with the rules that were already in place for no obvious reason. Ask IDPA how that’s worked out for them. Comparing a newbie to Ben is not legit...apples to oranges.

I am not an expert, but I don’t see why that wouldn’t work.

Your points on trying to determine if guns are “stock” enough is valid. This has been an issue for years. Measuring weight is not hard to enforce and I fail to see how raising the weight 14 ounces fixes that issue. In terms of participation (and I am only referring to weight), I disagree. Glocks are very common guns for people getting a start in competitive shooting. A G19 weighs about 1/2 the new legal limit. Even in Minor, that is a significant disadvantage. Seeing this, I would bet a lot of new competitive shooter will turn elsewhere. Competitive shooters tend to be a significant factor in making their voices heard when it comes to politics/gun rights. We need as many voices as possible to be heard when legislators start talking about gun rights. A group of USPSA guys went to the recent VA gun rally which was 5+ hours away. Again, Making common guns such as Glocks having a significant disadvantage is not good for the sport. For the record, I am shooting a Legion and I don’t feel a need to find a heavier gun so this doesn’t affect me personally. If I was less experienced I do think the Legion might now be a little light.

I realize my last response was rather long so here’s the Cliff Notes. CO was the fastest growing division in the last couple years. Why did it need a rules change of such drastic proportions?

I’m sorry, but I don’t like this change. I had considered lightning the slide on my Stock II, but found a way to avoid. If you had a Shadow II, it was basically a must. Now all of the people who did lighten their slides to make weight did it for nothing. Since CO is no longer a provisional division, I would like to see the USPSA admin quit changing the rules whenever they please unless it is for safety or some competitive equity issue. I chose to shoot this division because I like dots and it is relatively cheap, relatively stock guns. Glocks, M&P, etc will be at an even greater disadvantage without some serious grip work. I shoot a Sig so I dont have a dog in that fight so it doesn’t affect me personally, but I don’t want to see that for this division. There are plenty of divisions available for any who wants to shoot more expensive or modified guns (not a basically stock, mass produced gun). Except for maybe Dan Wesson CZ or Alien, there aren’t any stock guns I am aware of weighing this much. As far as a MD goes...first, thank you for volunteering your time Charlie (and all the other MDs out there). I can’t imagine anyone in this game for a while doesn’t realize cheating can occur at a level I. All of the Level I matches I have ever shot have not chronoed ammo so if someone wants to cheat, they can. If they want to cheat by weighing too much, most people in the division know they are over the weight limit based on the setup. Since we are not winning money at a level I, if someone wants to cheat, we all know it and that is good enough. I would never expect or want a MD to check weights, chrono, check mags at a level I. At every level II I have been to (which is admittedly not many) they have a chronoed, weighed the guns, and checked mags. The cheater isn’t going to get away with that at a level II or III.

Anybody have any idea why this changed? Unless I am missing something, it seems like a fix to a problem that didn’t exist. When I shooting a Tanfo, I considered lightening the slide to make weight. I am glad I didn’t, but feel for the guys with Shadow 2/Stock II who did. Am I the only person who thinks making all of these constant changes is not good for the sport?

Exact same combo here except no SAS

I’m not sure what changed. They didn’t used to be like that. It’s sad to see cause I am becoming a Sig fan. I guarantee I won’t buy another one that has an LCI barrel. If you really like the Sig you could fit an aftermarket barrel.

Good setup. I use CR Speed pouches and TT base pads, otherwise the same as everyone else

I like the detailed question. You have obviously put a lot of thought into this topic. I think it’s a great first post. i am not a great shooter so I will let the others chime in. I will say that I think to some degree all of this stuff depends on how you are wired/built. Jake DiVeto (hope I spelled it right) has posted a lot of info on this topic in the not distant past so you might want to try to look up his posts. Edit: Welcome to the forum and don’t let Cha Lee’s post discourage you from asking questions.

Thanks. That was helpful.

Do you know how much that shroud weighs?Do you know how much that shroud weighs?

I only had one that was really, really difficult. Eventually with heat and a mini sledge I got it. The sight was trashed, but otherwise no issues. I was like you and that I was not going to be putting in another sight.

Looks good

I have handled the SSI grip and it is definitely good for big hands. The biggest thing that kept me out of the X5 was the small grip. The SSI grip made me a convert back to the X5.

Do the doubles drill and Kim’s measurement drill and then correct accordingly would be my suggestion in my non-expert opinion. Maybe you are actively pushing the gun down because you used to have to do that with a non-compensated gun?

Mine did too. They did have me send my entire gun in. Dropped it off at 5:50 PM on a Friday and by late day Monday I already had a tracking # for its ride back home. I couldn’t have asked for any better service!!!!

Isn’t seated depth being consistent rather the OAL being consistent what we really want. That will give the most accurate ammo and the least variation in velocity, correct? I don’t reload for precession rifle, but that’s always the impression I got from guys who do. It seems they go to great lengths to figure out the seated depth. In any case, I love the Redding Comp seating die. I tried a few different ones and this has worked the best for me. I have reloaded about 10k rounds of .40 and about 15k rounds of 9mm, all of which were coated bullets and never had an issue. I recently have been changing my OAL as I have switched guns and found it to be very consistent. I won’t use any other seating die. Just my 2 cents.

I forgot to mention that I am shooting 125 RN.

My Legion with the LCI had 2 malfunctions and they were with my shorter 1.125. I had made loads of 0.005 increments from 1.125 to 1.145. I had no other malfunctions. This was the first 100 rounds through the gun so this may have been a coincidence. Like you, I sent mine back for a new barrel after the first 100 rounds.

Ok, thanks

That didn’t require any fitting, right?