TyinTX

I ran my Benelli Nova for the first year of 3 gun because it was what I had. Learned and lot and still have much more to learn. I got completely addicted and had planned on upgrading to a semi auto over the winter. Looks like it will be middle of the summer or next fall before I'm ready to go ahead and buy the new shotgun though. I'm now sitting here with several months until any matches and thinking I want to shorten the stock on my Nova. Length of pull has always been a long and I want to shorten it up 1 inch. My plan is to cut and sand a wood block down until it fits snugly into the hollow stock and then epoxy it into place so I have something to attach the butt pad to. First question is does anyone have a good way to hold the stock while on the chop saw to make sure it does not move? On the Nova the stock is part of the receiver so this is a measure 3 times, think about it some, and cut once type of operation. Second question is what would be a good epoxy to use that will bond to the wood and the material of the stock?

Can't speak for everybody, but the family car is already pressed into service. Thats what happened when I threw a tube on my Nova and started playing. $800 is about my max budget, I shoot for fun. When I'm better and get to shoot a major match as long as the Stoeger runs it will not be the piece of gear holding me back. The cost of guns is insignificant in the long run to ammo, but right now the actual family car needs gas and fancy top of the line tricked out guns don't do much good with me behind them yelling "Bang!"

This is good news to hear. I'm wanting to get a m3000 from you over the winter and I like the idea of the CA tube over needing to put a tube and barrel clamp. Now if I can just find the way to sneak it all under the wife's radar.

I agree but as long as we are limiting rifles and pistols to "Factory Standard" magazines we have to limit the shotgun to that as well. 8+1 is extended capacity on most shotguns so we must have factory mag tube lengths only, no after market tubes. Got to keep us scurvy limited shooters separated from the Tac-ops shooters. I guess my pale Irish skin will get me bumped from the class though because SPF-15 is barely adequate.

Rainier arms Force handguards have inside big enough for your purposes. I've had mine since they came out and really like it. Very solid yet light.

These seem to have a reasonable progression from division to division. Might accomplish the OP's original intent of splitting limited scope.

Nope not speaking Klingon. I monopod off 30s and not the 40s. I just like the choice. And the shotgun 8+1 start works for me so why make me plug my 1 extra shell. I enjoy the challenge of limited being the rifle sight and being able to very easily compare my times to the Tac Scope guys. I just play by the rules, don't make them like some of the people who have commented in here.

SoF rules would have my only choice to be shoot in Trooper class, barrels on shotgun and pistol are too long. So say hello to breaking the giant backpack out of storage.

Limited/TacOps with 30 round rifle and 8+1 max in the shotgun? Limited/Mod TacOps has Irons only limited guns and 1x sights/Scopes shooting in Mod TacOps?

I'm still gonna go with limited isn't broke so let's not screw it up. For the sake of discussion if I had to do something here it is: Pistol- As it is currently. Rifle- 1x or irons, only one sight plane on rifle, double stack magazines only Shotgun- 8+1 start, full capacity ok after buzzer. Mag tube maximum 1" past end of barrel. Is it a lot different than now? Not really. Would 28" barreled shotguns suddenly rule limited? No. Be a bit different. Gamers would still go with long shotguns and long rifle mags. But both have a limit to how far they can go and still work well. It's still a game and for me would be a blast. I just don't want limited to be the "reloading" division. An important skill yes, not why I shoot 3 gun.

Because its already limited to a 141mm mag size. Which is longer than any stock pistol mag I know of. So why not allow "extra capacity" in the other two guns as well? For example 35-48 round rifle magazines and 9-12 round shotgun tubes?

But I like playing in the kiddie pool that is limited now. I enjoy shooting with real irons or my 1x sight. I like my 40 round rifle mags and 9 round shotgun tube loaded to 8. Someday I will have my evil 140mm magazines and will forget how to reload on the clock completely.

The having looked at the rule book for USPSA and the silly rules like downloading magazines for production class is a big reason I shoot 3 gun. I own a pistol that completely stock holds 19, a Glock holds 17. In the end the 2 rounds only matter as long as there is a course of fire 19 rounds or shorter and I don't miss (not going to happen at the moment). Read the rules and make your selections for yourself on which gear you think will serve you best. Trying to make rules for the lowest mag capacity and artificially limiting a division just to say it is significantly different from a larger division doesn't seem to accomplish anything to me. I will in time get a second upper and will set up with a scope so that I can go play around with the big boys. Being able to use the same gear and a different optic is going to be a big plus. Limiting round capacity in my preferred division would just annoy me into not shooting limited at all.

O no, I "need" the extra stuff. I have plans for my next shotgun, mods to the pistol, different shell caddies, and I am on the second rifle, part of which came from Carbon Arms. Just putting the wife through college for her masters turns the 3 gun fund into a small ammo budget only. My stated intent was not to grow the division, I think it will grow or die all on it's own. My purpose was to make it a different, and at the same time introduce additional entertaining challenges. Everyone has 30ish round mags, the idea is not to stop 31 in a Pmag, its to keep guys from running 40 or 60, and everyone can plug their tube to 8, no equipment race issues. I have no opinion on the irons and non magnified optic combo, that seems like a match directors decision rule to me. I do not believe we should change the definition of a limited pistol or require the use of a pump gun, the idea is not a fundamental equipment change to the division, just a refinement of the existing rules to limit the capacity of the rifle and pistol, just like we do the pistol. Limiting the shotgun tube capacity to 8 is not an attempt to restrict the loading style, or even to force people to to use sleek looking shorter tubes, or even for some sort of nostalgia, the idea is to bring the shotgun into the accepted definition of "Limited" iron sights, no comps or ports, and a limited amount of ammo. I feel strongly that this small change will introduce a great deal of difference between limited and scope tac, and will enhance the game. Let stage designers build shotgun stages in 10 round arrays, and let the scope tac guys load 10, the open guys are going to load 20. Good stages are not designed with one division in mind, they are designed to present creative shooting problems to be solved with the tools that you have. I am just advocating defining the tools a bit better to add spice to the challenge. I just don't see making reloads the deciding factor between divisions as all that meaningful. It would make stage planning different sure. But so does having the option between a 40 round and 30 round. Use a 40 and shoot prone of the stairs they had some stages at Raton and you will suddenly find yourself wishing that you had a 30. Limited I can see a requirement that all rifle mags must be double stack only. Using a lower capacity on any of the guns then what can be had stock would push somebody like me from limited to scope tac if they are still able to use stock capacity.

That is exactly the kind of thinking that went into my "split Tac Ops into Super Modified and Modified" concept. Except for the "Modified" division I also added a 4X upper limit on the rifle scope, and 17rd mag limit on the pistol. This would make two very disparate equipment sets, and dramatically decrease the cost of equipment parity in the Mod division. (Good 1-4X scopes can be found way cheaper than 1-6 or 1-8X, and it's easy to have a couple hundred bucks in magazine basepads and shotgun tube accessories to get extra rounds). Again I am a new shooter to 3 gun or any competetive shooting. I didn't own a AR or any semi auto rifle. So I bought one. Same goes for the pistol. Looked at my shotgun and put a Nordic tube on my hunting shotgun that I already had. The tube was $60 and I went with a +5 and considered a +6. Could have been happy with either. Rifle mags a 30 round Pmag is $12-15 and a 40 round is $18. I don't see an equipment race keeping people out of the division. I see it as the average shooter now thinks you need 4x magnification to hit a 100 yard target. Guys who want to shoot limited will and guys who want to shoot tac scope will shoot that. I run a stock XDm and a Nova pump. I feel at no disadvantage on my equipment compared to other limited shooters. The thing that currently holds me back are my skills, most of all my pistol. Just to be clear- 1. Lets leave max mag capacity alone for all 3 guns. No reason to have limited be a reloading contest. 2. Pumps are fun for me. Lets not require it though.

I started shooting 3 gun this summer and shoot limited division by choice. I looked at the rules for any match I could find and went and bought a pistol, rifle, and a long tube for my shotgun to be able to compete. I thought about running scope tac but to me the challenge is a lot of fun when it comes to shooting non magnified at 400+. My shotgun is 9+1 because the mag tube ends up flush with my Nova's barrel. I'm normally restricted to 8+1 at the start, why limit my capacity when I reload just to make a bigger jump to scope tac? I have 30 and 40 round rifle mags. Some stages one has an advantage. Both are easy to find and relatively cheap. Why limit my choices for how I run a stage and force me to possibly make a reload again just to make the difference on my rifle sight a little bigger. Coupled mags I don't currently run so I have not input on that. Really want to change limited and scope tac require limited to shoot pump shotguns. Then I won't have to keep eyeing all those fancy autoloaders.

With those targets and ranges I'd just remove the can and shoot with the eotech. I shoot limited irons with a red dot and I am considering one of the new prismatic 1x sights. Last weekend shot a match with 12" targets out to 300 and a 16" at 400. Went really well and got my hits until stage with targets in the shade. Couldn't see them even with backers but neither could most of the guys with scopes.

I use the Nova with a Limbsaver pad on it. Works really slick for loading with the gate staying up in between shells. My sxp I was going to use but it had 2 bumps in the factory mag tube that catch a plug and keep the spring captured. You could file them off I'm sure and add an extension I just didn't want to mess with it.

Planning on upgrading to one of the MOA Stoegers this winter. Having a reversible charging handle would be nice. Never owned a semi so I would like to play with both sides but left side option seems to make sense for 3 gun.

I've got the Nordic barrel with the Carbon arms gas block. With the smaller gas port diameter supposed to be able to run low mass no problem. My buffer now is filled with delrin spacers. Only way I can get it lighter and keep some weights is switch to a carbine buffer with weights replaced and spacer in the extension.

I see you found the coupon. I will eventually get a low mass bcg just trying to decide if I want to move it up the upgrade list.

Rainier arms is having a Labor Day sale.

My rifle is built around a 18" Nordic barrel. Currently I am running 11.5 oz bcg with 2.8 oz rifle length buffer. Option 1. Switch the bcg for a Voodoo low mass bcg as there is a good sale. Would take reciproting mass from 14.3 oz to 12.3 oz. Option 2. Empty the buffer of remaining weights for total mass of 13 oz. Option 1 gain increase in bearing surface and the dead blow affect of the buffer weights. Option 2 pick up $170 of practice ammo. Is total reciprocating mass more important than which component the mass is in(buffer or bolt carrier)?

I had a Stag Arms 3G upper and was very pleased with it. Rifle always felt a little front heavy though. I sold it and got an upper from Carbon Arms with the Nordic barrel. I prefer the new upper and couldn't be happier with the switch, recoil impulse is much flatter. Either one would be a good choice and can come in under the $800 with bcg and charging handle ready to pin on your lower.

I can second the Chameleon belt. Found a lightly used one about half price. Then I found out it's not made for 30" waist guys. Sheet of kydex, 2 Tek-loks I now have 2 6 rd belt mounted carriers, and a 12 rd belt I loan out at matches.