Alphamikefoxtrot

I have run 160's through my cz and really liked the results. I didn't find them to be way better than the 147's though so I just stuck with those. Its all about feel. You may find that you like the 125's with one powder and the 147's with another. I use unique with my 147 loads and they feel great.

BS example. If I had a nascar and one of the top race car drivers had a mustang, I'm sure he could still beat me. Guys with $1500 guns might beat guys with $4000 guns BUT the important caveats that you are leaving out is that they would probably beat those same guys with any gun they picked up. Also, everybody throws their sled behind KC or Sevigney, or whoever the latest glock jockey is but they always fail to account for the fact that they shot 2011's before glock hired them, and in Dave's case, he went back to it as soon as he was off the payroll. His wife shot open at the Florida open - guess which platform he put her in???? That's right a 2011. They are better set up for some divisions. I have been down the road of open glocks. They work, and they will have all the features of an open gun. Mag sticking out the bottom, a dot, and a comp. Does that make it viable, or a good option? Hell no. I WISH I had listened when those around me tried to talk me out of spending all that money on an open glock. I eventually sold it and went to a tangfo, then to a 2011, almost got swindled by a builder from Georgia that I also refused to listen to advise on, and eventually ended up with a great gun that has never missed a lick and a relationship with a great builder who has built me multiple other guns since then. Don't try and buck the tides. There is a reason that they are the way they are. As is was said before, people much smarter than me and you, with way more time to practice, and people lining up to throw money at them did the R&D already. Trust them. If you want a cheap open gun, buy a glock and put your grip tape in the wrong place. It puts you in open, but it ain't an open gun. And no, you don't need a load to shoot Uspsa. I don't suggest using credit to buy toys. You do however need to spend 2500-6000 to get to a point in OPEN DIVISION where you cabe absolutely sure that the equipment isn't holding you back, because the people who are winning the titles have basically the same equipment as you. Imagine the diffence in anything other than shooting being as little as 2500. If you could buy a moped, barely enough of a vehicle to legally be ont he road, and for only 2500 more you could afford the exact same racecar as the folks winning the Daytona 500. It really isn't that big of a deal.

Don't waste money on new internals. Get the trigger join done on the stock ones. They will work fine. As far as the pros, trigger, sights, and springs......not in that order. Shoot about three hundred thousand rounds through it or one like it and you can be a pro too.

I like mine. I went with the rubber uppers with the wood big butt. Best of both worlds.

It would provide a little easier aiming b/c of the dot. Open glocks give up a lot to STI/svi's in trigger, flatness, etc. Open is about speed and you need a great trigger and a flat gun to be competitive. If you aren't wanting to be competitive, just slightly faster and a but more accurate, then go for it.

They aren't going to make you any more accurate than a Dawson. Are they built better? I don't know, but I can tell you that I wouldn't expect more than a Dawson would provide. If you want to pay a lot more for it to say infinity, then go for it. I've done that exact same thing before, but I'm all about looking better than I shoot.

I've gone to aluminum on my current gun and love it. The timing is completely different. It took 500 rounds or so to get used to it again. I use the grip tape and it is much grippier than a stippled plastic grip. I'm using a SV aggressive grip on the new open gun.

I think it is caused by the 38 Super rounds. 9 major won't do that.

Who hasn't looked at Taran and been given hope that you too can make it to GM despite your physical, er.....prowess? This is a sport that simply doesn't require the utmost in physical fitness to excel at. Sure it helps. It helps in almost anything that you want to do, but it certainly isn't required.

Finally! I am sick of hearing about all the nutjobs that go on killing sprees with Bianchi open guns. Way to go NY.

I tend to pick a division and stick with it for a year or two. I will admit that I am not looking forward to the year that I choose to shoot revolver. I do love shooting my wheel gun, but the thought of competing in a competition where 8 shot arrays are the rule with a gun that is limited to 6 shots makes me want to skip that year and shoot open again.

I have a buddy with two and I don't like them nearly as much as even my Spartan. Sloppy fit. terrible triggers, not terribly accurate, external extractor etc. About like a kimber.

I don't think it would slow down output for me. Possibly the number of rounds per hour, but the longevity of the loading session could certainly be extended with much less fatigue with the autodrive. I need to get the bullet feeder before I consider the autodrive.

One thing and one thing only would ever convince me to go to a 38SC.......Infinity won't make a 9mm major gun. I really like their guns, and I might, might, would consider shooting sc to be able to shoot theirs.

"To achieve the same thing with a 9mm pistol, you would have to fire 30 rounds with two mag changes, in about 30 seconds." What if I could do it in about 8 seconds with no mag changes????

It may be fun for you but I feel like I'm trying to read Shakespeare to my dog. You know.......all things held equal and all.

How did the coating affect fittment?

Alright guys. You have convinced me. I'm giving up my 9mm open gun because THEORETICALLY it sux. Have fun with this one guys. I give up.

One grain less to work the comp has absolutely nothing to do with efficient. Efficiency has to do with results relative to input. If my car can go 50 miles in a gallon of gas, it is more efficient than a car that requires 2 gallons to travel the same distance. Efficiency, however, isn't a measure that we are concerned with in open guns. Can SC cases produce more gas and work a comp better than a 9mm? That is the important question and it simply can't be answered without knowing the info about which powders and amounts are used. More importantly even than that question, however is "Is a SC gun flatter than a 9mm". That one also cannot be answered without lots of data on comps, powders, primers, springs, shooters , etc. I, along with tons of shooters and smiths out there, have come to the conclusion that either A) a 9mm with the right combination of powders, projectiles, primers, springs etc CAN be made to shoot as flat as a SC, or the difference in flatness is negated by the massive reduction in cost and labor (picking up brass) realized by shooting 9mm as opposed to SC. The bottom line is that they are both viable options and there doesn't have to be a right and wrong. They can both be right given different variables with different shooters. I made the choice not because of which one is cheaper, but because of which one allows me to shoot more and work less. Also, the women with the large breasts prefer a guy shooting 9mm over the SC guys.

Yes, 90% of all the SC brass is Starline. Sure, there is TJ, and a few others, but most is the same. Last time I checked, the same effect with a grain less powder means MORE EFFICIENT. Doing more with less. The reason that 9mm cases do crazy things isn't because it is smaller. It is because the dimensions on the different headstamps are all slightly different. The extractor and the ejector are grabbing the different brasses differently and thus ejecting differently. I could sit here and say that my old SC gun hung up all the time and my 9mm has never hung up, but that wouldn't be a good example. The SC was a tanfoglio and the length that I was running wasn't right for that gun. You know how it is, you never have reloading issues until you decide to sit down and load 5000 at a time. 9mm definitely requires a few caveats. Same headstamp, or cmore mount that wont interfere with erratic ejection, spacers, smaller choice of powders (although the powder options are more than acceptable), but those caveats severely out weigh the caveat with Super or SC - That you must pick up your brass or run into availability or cost problems with brass.

I have read all three pages of this thread and unless I missed it somewhere, the argument of "that's what the pros shoot" has never been correctly answered. They shoot 38SC because that is what their sponsor give them. If it were all free, Sure, I would shoot SC too. For no reason other than to be able to say, "Hey, look at me, I shoot SC". I have shot both. My Bedell 9mm had never had an issue. I shoot 9MM because I'm not picking up brass after a match. We have brass whores who love to do that, so I let them have mine. My primers are far from flat with the exact 173 PF loads that I have shot for the past three years. I have absolutely no issues reloading for 9mm, and no ejection problems. I went with a sideways mount because I like to have the same index as my limited gun and the dot is "on" through a much greater range due to the lower-to-bore-axis-ness of the sideways mount. You think Max Michel likes those ugly ass revision glasses? Hell no, he wears them because revision pays him to. You actually think Jerry loads on a RCBS, nope again. Watch his youtube videos. He is sitting in front of a row of Dillons. Those guys do what they do because they are paid to do it that way. the only advantage to SC if is you want to run a vertical mount on your dot. You will have more reliable ejection with SC. Not because it is SC, but because it is all the same headstamp. If you sorted 9mm and only shot the same headstamp, you would have the same reliability with 9mm.

That's a good one Uncle Spanky. Tell another one! Tell another one!

In my opinion, JP makes exactly the barrel that you are wanting. Their 18" light contour. It meets the requirements all except the inexpensive part. The second best would be the Nordic/Wilson barrel from nordic components. That one is 38 oz iirc. It would require a diet of some kind to get down to the 32oz of the jp barrel. Realistically, you are not going to feel the additional 4oz nearly as much as you will feel the difference between rifle and mid length gas.

I really like it! How do you like the aggressive grip? I have a gun being built with one and I am more than a little concerned that my hands are going to turn to swiss cheese after a good practice session.