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Lyman doesn't have data for a 200g LRN, but for their 200g LSWC #452630 @ 1.235 they list for N320: Start: 5.1 Velocity: 746 CUP: 10,000 Max: 5.5 Velocity: 865 CUP: 17,000 If your barrel likes it, I would start with an OAL of 1.250 and go from there on the LRN. They don't have a listing with N320 and their 225g LRN. FWIW: I've read on several forums that Bill Wilson's "pet" 45acp load is a 200g SWC in front of N310 or Bullseye.....

Anyone using the 3.3gr/1.135 load in a G17 with good results? Working up some test loads for GSSF @ 130PF. Thanks, HR

Specific Results for my post above: G17G4, 3.9g CFE Pistol, 147g Zero JHP, 1.120 OAL Shots: 10 Low: 877 High: 897 Avg: 886 ES: 20 SD: 7 PF: 130.24 Same Pistol/Load w/ Bar-Sto Barrel: Shots: 10 Low: 839 High: 868 Avg: 853 ES: 29 SD: 8 PF: 125.39 HR

Rested on a bench from 25yds: Definitely good enough for GSSF.......if I can do my part!

Traveling right now and don't have detailed data with me; but initial testing with 147g Zero JHP has shown very good accuracy out of G17G4 with stock barrel. 3.9g @ 1.120 OAL yielded 130PF. Developing for GSSF competiton. Have to say metering is excellent through the XL650! HR

DJ has a great post on this: http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1418527

This might help: http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=191869&hl= Sure worked for me!

OAL is somewhere between 1.14-1.145" Titegroup. Accurate #2. N320 all yield similar results. Sent from my Nexus 5 using Tapatalk I'm running 147's at 1.120, so I'll work up some test loads and go from there. Don't have any TG or AA#2; but do have enough N320 left to see how it works out..... Thanks!

OPENB: This one has always worked great in our Gen 4s with/without backstraps: http://www.pearcegrip.com/Products/GLOCK/PG-G4MF

Stician: Starting development work on this very bullet/powder combo for my G17G4 with a Bar Sto; and my Son's G17G4 with a KKM. You mind sharing your load specifics....especially your OAL? Thank you Sir!

G: IMO, if your only going to be loading for the M&P9L, I would standardize my OAL for 1.150" and go from there. Next I would see if the bullet appears to be seated deep enough in the case at that OAL. As your tests have shown, you can go shorter if needed. Maybe compare your lead load's seating depth/OAL to a factory load with similar shaped/size FMJ bullet........sometimes seating longer will expose to much of the "gripping" surface of the bullet. I still think your on the right track! Just don't give up!

IMO, if you wish to shoot 147gr loads, then stick with that bullet weight for testing. I still think there's an issue that your pistol just doesn't shoot the AA&A loads in either barrel well, but that shouldn't deter you from moving forward with the 147's. Also, if you haven't tried it yet, use a rest that will support the muzzle (dust cover) and the magazine. Don't think your groups could get any worse. There are also several major ammo manufacturers that offer 147gr factory loaded rounds with most being close to sub-sonic. Good luck!

Don't remember if you mentioned what brand of pistol your barrel is in; but I have seen many different length OALs pass the clunk test in the stock Glock barrels due to the larger specs of the chamber along with the rifling being farther away from the chamber when compared to aftermarket barrels with match grade chambers and conventional rifling. In my case, I determined the approximate desired OAL for the Bar Sto barrel and settled on 1.120". The lead and jacketed reloads shoot just fine in either the Bar Sto or the Glock barrel though I am currently only shooting jacketed rounds in the stock barrel. Currently loading 147gr Missouri LFP along with Zero 147gr JHP. IMO, 1.125 should work fine if your unable to determine approximately at what length (OAL) the bullet is contacting the rifling. Again, as levellinebrad stated, it all depends on your specific bullet profile and barrel. HR

Some good info in this post: http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=175879&p=1943959 IMO, you can rumble through several "fired" cases and find one the lead bullet will snugly slide into. Worked for me...... Or the last post from link above gives another way to get very close.

Yes Sir! Not sure if this is the most preferred method, but just working with what I had........

Not a KKM; but this might give some comparison. G17G4, stock barrel: Same load with the Bar Sto barrel: 25yds off a Caldwell rest with dust cover/mag supported. Might explain the flyers!

While AA&A is a great company and produce adequate ammo for use in a stock Glock barrel, your KKM will have a match grade chamber and conventional rifling; and will more than likely benefit from different ammo as I found the same results when using my Bar Sto vs stock. If you can find some other shooters that reload for the KKM barrels, see if they'll let you try a few of their rounds. Especially those that have developed a specific round for their barrel. In my experience, once I developed the OAL for my Bar Sto using Zero 147g JHP, the Bar Sto produced much tighter groups vs the stock Glock barrel. However, this round will also shoot just fine with the stock barrel for GSSF minor PF competition. HR

This will give you a preview of the alignment instructions. Should fix your issue. HR Dillon Alignment.pdf

Recoil was very mild and functioning was excellent. Being excited with how well these untested rounds were functioning, it was hard to settle down and relax for serious testing! Best grouping was in the 2.5" to 3" range with the stock barrel, and got a 2" group with the Bar Sto barrel, though the avg vel was (expected) lower than desired with the Bar Sto. Need to increase the charge a bit with the Bar Sto and retest; but I'm there with the stock Glock barrel @ 3.9gr and 130PF.

awesome. .......have you tried them yet? Just tested this past weekend. Posted results here: http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=194439 HR

Recently developed a new load for G17G4 with Bar Sto barrel: 3.6gr VV N340 147gr Missouri Bullet Lead FN 1.120 OAL Federal Match SPP Starline brass Avg Vel: 903 PF: 133 Excellent functioning w/ very good accuracy.

FINALLY found time to test CFE Pistol powder. Primarily developing a load for GSSF, and as everyone knows there's very little data out right now. Decided to use the data in Hodgdon's 2014 Annual for the Hornady 147gr XTP with a tad longer OAL. Pistol is G17 Gen 4 with stock barrel and Dawson FO front/adjustable rear sights. All rounds functioned perfectly! Temp: 87*, brass was new Starline. Zero 147gr JHP. OAL for all test loads is 1.120". Tests were at 25yds on a Caldwell Pistol Rest shot across a Pro Chrono Digital @ 10' from muzzle. Shot 3, 10 shot strings with 4.0grs, and all 3 yielded an average velocity of 910fps. Best accuracy/results was string #2 with: Avg Vel: 910 ES: 18 SD: 5 PF: 134 Shot 2, 10 shot strings with 3.9grs; 1st was 885fps and the second was 886fps. Best accuracy/results was string #2 with: Avg Vel: 886 ES: 20 SD: 7 PF: 130 Overall, I'm very satisfied with the consistency of the CFE; and as I stated on another post, metering through the XL650's powder measure was EXCELLENT!! HTH's HR

IMO, too much pressure on the index block may cause the shell plate to move off-center just a tad when first raising the platform. Once the index block is adjusted properly, the shell plate will retain it's position all the way up to the dies. HR

Saw this post concerning alignment: http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=186691&p=2063254 Followed the directions using the index alignment tool per attached. Moving the index block gave me perfect alignment of primer punch to shellplate. Dillon Alignment.pdf

Loaded up some test rounds tonight.......have to say this is one of the best metering powders I've ever used! Dropped 10 test charges: 9 were 4.00 and 1 was 4.05. IMO, excellent results through the XL650's powder measure. Initial load: Zero 147gr JHP with 4.0grs CFE Pistol, Federal Match SPPs, 1.120" OAL. Hoping for ~133-135PF. Glock 17G4