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Since the X5 Legion Accuracy thread had been running for several years, thought it would be beneficial to start a new thread on the P320 MAX initial testing. This thread inspired me to get started with some solid, initial info. Thanks @Boomstick303
Since this is the first "red dot" competition pistol I've handled in a LONG time, thought it would be wise to go ahead and see if the RDS would put me on paper at 15yds off a plastic rest on the bench. This showed some promise using some Nosler 124g Match ammo I'd had for a while running published 1150fps/142+PF. IMO, this was a pretty stout load but the MAX with a 14# RS, functioned perfectly with nice, 4 O'clock ejection!
After getting a pretty good handle on the sight adjustment, I moved the target out to 20 yds off the same flimsy rest and tested with some test rounds I had made up for the S2 Orange. These consisted of Zero 125g JHPs and 125 JHP-Conicals with 4.1g N320 at 1.080" OAL. Averaging PF for both these rounds were 132-133fps,: and I soon found out, as many threads here had noted, the Max did not like this range of velocity! I didn't feel worthy to measure the groups; but 4-5" would have been very close. Blue 125TCs at similar PFs also yielded very poor groups.
I then remembered I had a few Federal 124g Syntechs with me and thought, why not test these? They had a "published" velocity of 1050fps (130PF) which to my surprise yielded an Average Velocity of 1119fps for an average 138PF. ES was 32, SD was 10. So, IMO, this was right around the supposed "sweet spot" for the stock Max/X5 Legion barrels.
After putting two rounds in the lower right of the target, I adjusted the sights once again, and put the remaining 8 rounds in a pretty descent group.
I honestly feel there may be some reasonable accuracy with the stock barrel, I'm ordering some inserts from Ransom Rest to see just how well the MAX can group under controlled conditions. My next test reloads will be using both of the Zero 125g I have; but upping the N320 a few grains to find that "supposed" sweet spot of 135-137PF. Hope to keep the OALs at 1.080" in order to use the same loads in the Shadow 2 Orange.
At other's recommendations, I have also ordered some Precision Delta 124g V1 JHPs!
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Based on my initial break-in Chrono tests with the new P320 MAX, it definitely appears the pistol likes the 124/125g bullets that I have tested with. Tried some of my CZ 147g Zero JHP match loads and accuracy was descent. But when I finally tried some 124g Federal Syntech, it was coming into the zone it likes. As others have stated, the Max likes 124/125 bullets at a bit faster FPS!
Attached chrono file shows the lower two shots for sight-in and the remainder coming from a plastic pistol rest at 20 yards.
My next plan of attack is to test some reloads with N320 using Zero 125 JHPs plus some PD 124JHPs I have ordered.
Would anyone using N320 care to share some relevant info? I'm thinking after testing my current CZ loads, the it will take about 4.2g of N320 to get the 124/125g JHPs into that 135-137PF range.
As others here, I've been using the 1.080 OAL for the CZ S2O, but have used 1.125" with 147g Zero JHPS. Any users finding that a specific OAL works better in the P320 platform with 124/125g JHPs?
Thanks for sharing your experiences!
PS: Pic with the Springer Tungsten Guide Rod............
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1 hour ago, 1911in9mm said:
Does anyone have a empty Vihtavuori N320 1lb bottle with the label intact and in good shape? If so would you be willing to mail it to me, if I pay the shipping?
Recently changed up things on my press and now filling the hopper with a 4 pounder is a pain. I’d just like to have a matching 1 pound bottle to be able to fill the hopper with.Definitely share your pain...........using 4# jugs can create a mess in no time. Since I don't have a 1# jug either, I've got a 4#'er with ~1/2# that's much easier to use.
If I had a spare 1# jug, I'd gladly send it to you!
Good luck finding one!
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2 minutes ago, AHI said:
I would stick with the V1. I ended up returning .The v2 due to manufacturing defects.
@AHI Thanks! I definitely appreciate your experience!
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As I'm transitioning over to 124/125g FMJs, is the consensus still preferring the V1 of the PD JHP vs the V2? As my usual Zero JHPs are not readily available, I want to order a quality replacement for the P320 Max and my S2 Orange.
BTW: I'm primarily using N320 and an OAL of 1.080" for the S2; but am open to suggestions for a different (longer) OAL for the P320Max if others have proven results.
Thanks and any feedback is truly appreciated!
HR
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Great to have you back Darrell! And I hope the flooding was an event you recovered from successfully!
Been there, done that!
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27 minutes ago, B585 said:
The break and reset are very crisp. I don’t know how to post a video but shoot me a PM with your number if you would like me to text you one. Short of a Canik it is best striker fire trigger out there according to fellow USPSA guys who are more sensitive to triggers than myself.
Sent you a couple of PMs
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23 minutes ago, B585 said:
I do really like my trigger after I got it back from The Sig Armour
Want to share any of the details?
Inquiring minds want to know!
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5 hours ago, touji said:
Having switched over from Open and shooting DA/SA guns, I feel like the P320 just has a naturally long reset. If there are any reset mods, it's something that I'd look to pursue aside from dry fire. I don't click bang but the long reset definitely makes it harder to run the gun faster at close targets. Getting used to the platform, I don't think it's holding me back but it would be cool if there were products out there to reduce the reset length.
IMO, this video has very good info on reducing reset and pretravel:
It's also my understanding that this is how one of the popular Sig Smiths modifies his components for the Competition Level Action Job...........
https://www.thesigarmorer.com/
Of course the video above is being accomplished with modified, stock components.
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1 hour ago, boudreux said:
Is the AXG pro production legal? Thanks
Should be in this info...........
https://uspsa.org/productionlist
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On 2/20/2022 at 11:39 AM, synchronicity said:
In general, I wear what I am comfortable in. Being skinny and wearing either a 625 or 1911 and gear, finding suspenders changed my world for the better.
Here in the southwest I shoot in tactical desert boots. As a super senior I find compression sleeves over my elbows give added support and add
comfort.
@synchronicityalso a Super Senior shooter that's been seriously considering suspenders and compression sleeves!
Care to share your specific equipment?
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Correction after the post was made:
QuoteAfter a second call back to Shooter's Connection, a Tech by the name of Ryan, had found some 8-32" post nuts that averaged .196" - .197" OD, and he was putting me 3 of these in the first class mail to go out that day. BTW, he provided EXCELLENT CUSTOMER SERVICE throughout the whole ordeal!
Couple of days later I received the post nuts from Ryan, and sure enough, they easily fit into the holes of the Y-Plate for holster mounting. One thing I think important, these post nuts had a post length of 3/8" with 8-32 threads. So I decided, since the OEM screws were only 1/4" long, to run up to Tractor Supply and pick up a 5 pack of Hillman stainless steel 8-32x3/8" machine screws. Same screw brand that Lowe's offers. A touch of blue Loctite for added measure, and this combo worked perfectly with the new post nuts! IMO, the 3/8" screws provided a bit of extra thread engagement.
Hope this helps someone considering the holster/hanger combination!
FYI: Amazon has the correct 3/8" binding posts (along with screws) if anyone is needing these............
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B06Y4RPBQ2/ref=ppx_od_dt_b_asin_title_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
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31 minutes ago, ChuckS said:
I researched this when the CZs started getting real popular. I discovered this in the TS2 manual:
"Due to the special adjustment of the trigger mechanism it is possible to rotate the safety to a "SAFE" position, even when the hammer is on the safety notch, or leaning against the firing pin stop. However, it is not recommended that the safety be engaged while in this state, because forced cocking of the hammer could damage the trigger mechanism.
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@ChuckSThat's a very good point! I looked through the S2 Owner's manual and also found this statement:
QuoteEngaging the Safety
Push the safety up to the Safety-On position (Fig. 5) until the red warning dot is covered. The safety in this position blocks the trigger mechanism and slide, thus preventing the pulling of the trigger and operating the slide. Since the trigger mechanism has been specifically adjusted, it is possible to move the safety onto the "SAFE" position even if the hammer is placed on the safety notch. In this case, however, it is strongly not recommended to engage the safety because the trigger mechanism might be damaged when cocking the hammer by force or pulling the trigger. If damage to the trigger mechanism occurs, let it be repaired by a certified gunsmith.IMO, I don't think the CZs are designed to have the TS engaged with the hammer down even though it's possible to force it into that position.
Thanks for your insight!
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6 hours ago, zzt said:
I think you may be correct. When 8.1.2.5 was written, I don't think quirky CZs were considered.
My CZ is single action, so I'd like you to try something for me. With your UNLOADED gun, lower the hammer like you usually do and engage the thumb safety. Then pull the trigger. Did the DA pull lower the safety before the hammer dropped? If yes I'm okay with the rule as written. If no it becomes a safety issue. I'll recommend a rule change when they ask for recommendations.
Just an FYI...............I just checked the S2 Orange, and applying the TS with the hammer cocked is a normal feel; very similar to a 1911/2011 platform. With the HAMMER DOWN, I can apply the TS; but it takes quite a bit more force and does not feel as "natural" as when the hammer is back. Also, with the hammer down and the TS applied, the trigger will not allow any noticeable pull. Again, it doesn't feel as solid/positive as when the hammer is fully cocked and the TS is applied.
HTHs
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@obx-shadow2As I failed to remember while posting that your thread title mentions your shooting Limited, @zztis correct!
I've been shooting Production with my S2 Orange, and it's mandatory the hammer be in the down position. And for my S2, the thumb safety does not operate with the hammer down.
Also as @zztrecommended, I too would prefer to shoot the S2 cocked/locked for that first shot which would allow "all" shots to be single action!
Sorry for any confusion I may have created............
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Also, 8.1.2.5!
Quote..........If the primary (thumb) safety cannot be applied when the hammer is down, it is not required when the gun is in that condition.
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3 minutes ago, CSoupene said:
Ok thanks again Hogrider! I’m already loving this one! Just a few little adjustments and it’ll be awesome! Going to be ordering the parts in the morning along with an optic and mount. Think I’m going to try the Romeo 3 XL due to the wide window.
Sounds like an excellent game plan! Good luck with your project!
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2 minutes ago, CSoupene said:
Thanks everyone, I found a local shop that had the blue optics ready local so I went and checked it out and ended up bringing it home lol. It’s easier for me to put the short reset trigger parts in it than it is to mill the slide. Put 250 rounds through it today and the factory trigger is already much better than it was. I actually like it minus the creep and long reset.
Is Cajun gunworks the place to go for the trigger parts or should I look at others?Cajun Gunworks (CJW) makes excellent parts with great support..........
IMO, CZ Custom or CJW would be great choices!
https://czcustom.com/cz-parts-all/fire-control.html
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Just to point out that several of the CZC pistols are on the Production/CO list:
https://uspsa.org/productionlist
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26 minutes ago, Boomstick303 said:
Yup. For sure.
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45 minutes ago, CSoupene said:
Thanks Hogrider, I hadn't even seen those yet.
Your welcome!
And here's the contact for Stuart:
Stuart Wong
Ghost Products Inc
CZ Custom Shop
110 E. Southern Ave.
Mesa, AZ 85210
480-969-1311 voice
480-969-9687 facsimile
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As an S2 Orange owner, I would consider calling Stuart at CZ Custom and considering one of these:
https://czcustom.com/new-firearms/cz-pistols-custom/cz-shadow-2-accu-optic-rds.html
https://czcustom.com/new-firearms/cz-pistols-custom/cz-shadow-2-orange-optic-rds.html
IMO, the S2 Accu Optic RDS is more bang for your buck!
Good luck!
Initial Sight In/Chrono of new P320 MAX
in Sig
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Yea, my Zeros and Blues at 132-133 PF showed very poor accuracy from the Max! I honestly feel from the many threads I have read here and on other forums, that most competitors that reload go for the faster, 135-137PF range for all bullet types. Saw one post where a shooter was getting excellent accuracy from the Federal American Eagle 147g FMJs, and they chrono at 147PF!
Bottom line, at this point, appears that faster is better accuracy!
I'll know in a few days...........