Carmoney

As a general rule, I think forum posts carry far more weight when they come from a position of actual hands-on experience, and personal investment of time and money in the subject being discussed.

Has nothing to do with the matches or gun laws. Yes, I have shot and RO'd Nationals. Huh, that's weird. I clicked on your shooter number link and your classifiers don't show any participation at any USPSA Nationals. So what year(s) did you shoot Nats? The reason I bring it up is not necessarily to single you out. There just seem to be a lot of people on the internet recently who are quick to complain about a particular shooting venue for a major match, but then it turns out they wouldn't shoot the match regardless of where it happened to be held!

Other clubs put in bids to host the IRC?

What's wrong with simply attending the IRC? The Hogue Range is a great venue, and Morro Bay is a great place to visit. Sure, it would be nice to have the match travel around the country from year to year. It would also be nice if ICORE existed in a meaningful way in the central and eastern parts of the U.S.!!

Your choice, Mark. But now you have me curious: Have you ever shot a USPSA Nationals in any division at any location? Have you ever shot a USPSA area match in any division at any location?

I shot 10 major matches in 2012. Pretty typical for me.

What's wrong with IL? They run great matches at PASA Park--it's one of the premier practical shooting spots in the whole country! They might run great matches, but it is in one of those states I avoid like the plague. I don't organize boycotts or that kind of thing, just choose not to patronize that state if I can at all avoid it. I am sure my life will be full enough having missed PASA. Complete silliness: "I won't go to Illinois because of Obama." "I won't go to California because of the crazy gun laws." "I won't go to Vegas because of the ricochets." Or whatever. If you want an excuse to stay home, you'll always be able to find one. When you're at the range, none of that stuff matters (except maybe the ricochets, but they're not any big deal)--no place is perfect, and every state has bad politicians, crazy laws, and local hazards.

Hmmmmm......I might be interested in taking some of that action! So where do you put the over/under?

What's wrong with IL? They run great matches at PASA Park--it's one of the premier practical shooting spots in the whole country!

Mixing up the stages, instead of running the same things over and over and over, would be a much better test of real shooting skill.

I'm disappointed at all the revolver regulars who DIDN'T BOTHER TO SHOW UP FOR NATIONALS. Admittedly, most of the top-level Revo competitors were there, but still--having only 16 wheels in attendance was embarrassing and pathetic.

What is not clear or specific about "hands relaxed at sides"? Seems pretty simple and clear to me. Perfect response, I couldn't have said it better myself!! Y

Reminds me of the people who think you can run outside the shooting area and simply jump up in the air when it's time to shoot.

There is some inflation in the Revo classification system. There are only a couple guys that can compete at the 95%+ level in Revo with any regularity, and we all know who they are. It doesn't really matter, because there are never enough revolvers present to make class victories meaningful--which is fine, because heads-up competition is what matters anyway.

If I don't choose the Nationals will my puppy die, too? I will shoot my Area match the following weekend and the IRC which I know will be worth the time and money rather than a match designed so someone can shoot the single stack and revolver nationals the same week close to their house. $200 for a one day match at PASA is not worth it. If the future of the division is going to be decided by something as weak as the turnout to a match like this, maybe it should go. Underlug, you haven't bothered to show up the past few years to a 3-day USPSA Revolver Nationals event which was located in the western part of the U.S., so it would appear that moving the match to Illinois would not affect your shooting schedule anyway.

Don't bother. They don't recognize the out-of-spec chambers on 625-8s as a problem.

That's great news. I was afraid it wasn't going to happen at all.

I'm excited about Phil's changes too, and the idea of a stand-alone Revolver Nats is a great place to start. On the other hand, Vegas is a great place to have a big match. Relatively cheap non-stop flights from pretty much everywhere, tons of lodging and dining options, etc. You don't have to be a gambler--you don't have to stay at a casino. The last couple years I have stayed at a nice motel in a semi-residential area close to the range. If you don't want to do the gambling thing, just look at the strip as part of the skyline off in the distance, and enjoy the desert scenery and great amenities. ICORE is very spotty. There are only a few places in the country where you can shoot it. The IRC gets lots of attendees, but that is in large part because of the awesome prize table. (And this is something for USPSA to keep in mind moving forward.) Hopefully they will find somebody to run the IRC next year, because from what I understand, it's currently in jeopardy of not happening.

Springy, I don't want to sound unkind here, but why would you even care about this particular topic? You are not a revolver shooter. According to the info on the USPSA website, you have never registered a single classifier in Revolver Division, despite being a USPSA member for more than 12 years. You have never competed at a USPSA Revolver National Championship at any venue, nor have you ever shot Sam's charity match. This year you are signed up to shoot Sam's match, WITH A SINGLE-STACK!?! [edit]

Good guess--and you got one correct! Russ Jefferson (NH gunsmith who did the conversion work) Mas Ayoob (volunteered the gun for the project and authored the AH article) Bill Grimmett (NH shooter who dreamed up the whole idea) Mike Carmoney (no input whatsoever, but "Hell I Was There!")

Actually, you're better off with the fastest/heaviest bullet you can find. (Within reason, of course.) Carmoney, how fast were the 230gr lincoln logs? Load data? The classic load with the 230-gr. flat-front Lincoln log bullets, the ones from the original H&G molds, seated to the crimp groove in .38 Special brass, was 7.2 grains of Blue Dot. That would give velocities of around 900 fps. Some of the more adventurous of us went all the way up to 7.8 grains of Blue Dot, which would bump the velocities up to 1050 fps. Those numbers are from a Model 27 with an 8-3/8" barrel, which is what a bunch of us were using at the time.

In a classic Second Chance main event set-up, the pins were placed 3 feet from the rear of the steel-topped table. That made using a 9mm pretty much non-viable. In the 9-pin side event, the pins were placed 1 foot from the back of the table. This event was designed for the 9mms and .38 Supers.

Warren, you may have inadvertently copied the .44 JAG pin revolver concept, which was featured in at least one gun magazine article about 25 years ago. Trivia question--can anybody name the three men whose last names make up the initials in JAG?

Actually, you're better off with the fastest/heaviest bullet you can find. (Within reason, of course.)

You're talking about Bill Kaswer's "Pin Grabber" bullets and ammo. Blast from the past.