Carmoney

In the '70s, a retired Air Force gunsmith named Steve Velchoff was credited with developing the short double-action for PPC competition guns. His process involved removing most of the hammer foot, to allow the trigger to bear directly, and exclusively, on the double-action sear itself. Outside of PPC circles, it never really took off. Obviously, a shorter action would have the advantage of quicker lock time, but it would require (as Ty implies in his original post) more mainspring tension to be reliable.

I talked to a number of folks at the USPSA Revolver Nationals who are planning to attend our matches in Iowa on July 5-6. Guys, this is going to be a fun event! For a single $60 entry fee, you can shoot 10 stages of ICORE on Saturday, grill out and enjoy an adult beverage and/or cigar with us at the range on Saturday night after the awards/prizes (we may even light off a few fireworks to celebrate), then shoot an 8-stage USPSA match (any division allowed) on Sunday! We'll finish up early enough on Sunday to get you on the road in decent time. Email me with any questions: carmoney4@aol.com

So I just finished unloading my moonclips (and Sam's) from the match yesterday.....and I have a question: If this match favored the 8-shooters so dramatically, why did so many of my spent moonclips still have 2 loaded rounds left in them?

Have any of you guys considered the possibility that it's the Top 20 shooters who rule? If you forced the Top 20 shooters to compete with 625s, and let everybody else shoot their 8-shots, how many of them do you think would drop out of the Top 20? There's no doubt this match favored the 8-shot, but not as much as everybody is making it sound.

I shot both matches, and my major .40 SS ammo and my minor .38 Revo ammo both chronoed as expected. I don't try to cut it close.

Yes. I felt the same way when I shot back-to-back matches in Vegas with Revolver after Production. Even with a day off between them, I was pretty wiped out. If my only goal was to perform my absolute best in the Revolver match, I would only shoot that match, and be fresher. But I love shooting my 1911s also, and would not willingly miss the SSN.

The 8:03 results are the finals.

You're looking at interim results.

I shot the Single Stack yesterday, and I believe it created a competitive DISadvantage at the Revolver match today, at least for me. I was frickin' tired.

Pat, those aren't the final results.

Word.

I totally agree Mike, I would be glad to do one here in the Raleigh, NC area. I have complete access to a number of quality ranges that would easily support a Level 2 match, with the priority going to REVO Division. If I do it, will you come??? That is the big question. everyone TALKS about, "hey let's do this, or hey wouldn't that be cool" but when it comes down to it, if we don't get enough shooters to SEND in an application and a check, the match can not happen. I WILL build it, if you all will COME. Absolutely, John! I'm well known to fly all over the country to shoot, and if somebody sets up a good revolver match and a bunch of my buddies will be there, I will do everything in my power to attend.

Setting up good stand-alone revolver matches is a proven way to gather interest and participation. I did that with my series of Iowa revo matches, and Sam did it with his excellent MCC matches. Time for some other people to step up and take the lead on this. We really need several of these destination revolver matches around the country each year. Without stuff like that, the overall interest level in revo (including my own) starts to wane. I don't think charity causes have any meaningful effect on participation. My charitable contributions are handled directly and privately. I would personally prefer not to pay a higher match fee just so that somebody else can donate the bulk of that money. It's certainly not a wrong or bad thing to do--it's just not my preference.

The stages will be 8-round favorable for the SS match. No doubt about that. Until Sunday morning, nobody will know the fuzz for the Revolver match. Based on last year, I'm guessing the changes won't be all that substantial. But who knows?

Fallon, Nevada......the heart of the Northwest!

So there are still people around who believe the cartridge actually headspaces on the case mouth. Amusing!

Absolutely. No question about that.

He might be a little light, but that number is not too far off. The 4" PC guns are not nearly as scarce as the 5.25" version. For competition purposes, it would be fine for IDPA, but not a whole lot else, right?

I don't believe Cooper was ever a member of USPSA, at least not voluntarily. I think he had already renounced IPSC before USPSA was even formed.

I'm not sure it affects cleaning at all. The super hot gas released on the first couple of shots would vaporize the lube and scorch it to the chamber wall so after that, it's pretty much business as usual. This makes sense to me. I'll bet that's exactly what happens.

Then again, there's plenty of urban myth in the firearms community. Could it be that I have been unwittingly passing it along here? Possible, I guess. Somebody ask Guy Neill--he would know.

People do all sorts of crazy stuff with oil. Fortunately, modern firearms are over-engineered and have plenty of margin, particularly with the moderate competition ammo we use.

You guys do know where that Frog Lube comes from, right?? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cD5K2-G37tA

Let me explain a bit further....you do not want any kind of lube in the chamber of any handgun, as it can cause pressure phenomena that have the potential to cause case blow-outs and/or damage to your gun. You have to think about what happens during the firing process. When you fire the cartridge, the case expands and momentarily fills the entire chamber, until the rapidly-expanding gases outside the case size the brass back down slightly and allow the case to release from the chamber walls. The momentary friction between the outside walls of the case and the inside chamber walls is necessary to keep 100% of that pressure from being directed against the base of the case and the breech face of the gun. If the chamber (or ammo) is lubricated, that ordinary process is thwarted and all the pressure comes straight back instantaneously. Every manufacturer of firearms and ammunition in the industry will warn against lubing chambers, for this very reason. It's a dangerous practice--don't do it.

They're up.