Carmoney

C'mon guys, we need more of you to sign up for the 2006 USPSA Point Series in Revolver Division. It's only 25 bucks to participate for the whole year, no extra match fees or paperwork or nothin'. Trophies are being awarded for all classes, GM through D, plus one for high overall in the division. No cash awards this year. You can sign up with a credit card right now on the USPSA website. Here's more information on the 2006 program: Scope: This program shall crown the USPSA Points Series champions in Open, Limited, Limited 10, Production and Revolver as well as any other divisions subsequently established. This program shall not apply to the Three Gun program until further action of the Board of Directors. This program shall recognize as Points Series Champions the winners of each classification in each division. Participation: This program is limited to USPSA members who are classified in the division in which the member participates by the time the event closes each year. Annual Registration Fees: All members who desire to participate in this program shall pay an annual registration fee of $25 per year per Division in which they wish to compete to USPSA. Members shall be allowed to tender this fee to the match director prior to shooting their first qualifying match and the match director shall remit the full registration fee to USPSA. This fee shall be annual, non-refundable, fully earned upon payment. This fee shall be retained by USPSA to administer this program and other USPSA functions. Dates: The program shall run from January 1 st until December 31 st of each year. Within 45 days of the close of the program each year, USPSA shall announce the winners and distribute the awards earned by each shooter. Classifications: All participating members shall be deemed classified in each division for purposes of this program by their classifications as shown on USPSA records at the close of the program each year. USPSA shall not allow any petition for revision downward in classification for any member participating in this program. Awards: Division Champion : Trophy only GM, M, A, B, C and D Champion Per Division: Trophy only Qualifying Matches: The following matches shall be qualifying matches: Area Matches State or Sectional Matches as approved by their Area Director Any other USPSA Level III match limited to one match per year per area as selected by the area director from that area. This match shall be one in which no match fees of any kind are waived by USPSA. To be accepted as part of the championship points series, tournaments must agree to score the match with EZWinScore 2.0 or later AND use the USPSA web based feature to upload the "webfile.txt" match results file. Calculation of Winner: The order of finish will be calculated by use of the percentage totals for each qualifying match. By way of example, a match winner would receive 100 points and a member who shot 80.257 % would receive 80.257 points. Points received from the Area Matches will be multiplied by two, and points received from State, Sectional, or other matches would not be multiplied. A member can participate in, as many matches as they desire but the point totals from all matches shall include only the following: Points from the highest finish at no more than two area matches Points from the highest finish at no more than four state or sectional matches. Points from the highest finish at no more than two other USPSA Level III matches. Sure sounds like fun, huh? And it'll be way more fun if a bunch of us participate! Mike

Yep, particularly if you're already used to that rig. CR Speed holsters for Revo are excellent. Good luck at the Miss Classic!

John, that's an excellent picture. I almost didn't recognize Cliff without his glasses.

You dawgs all heard the genius lyric of rapper Dr. Dre, am I right y'all?? Well tonight ya gets the biggity bonus....Dr. Dremel is in the house, and I'm down witchy'all. Peep dis, dawgs. Use dat rotational on yo wood and it will NOT be de shiznit, its understood y'all wind up wit a B fuggly grip, y'know what I'm sayin? You'll burn the birch, y'all. Bone it up bad, man. So jes back it off, get yoself a 8-ball, check out the breezies, maybe hit it wit yo jump-off, then when you be all chillaxin' you can hit yo nine grip with the non-rotationals. An' yo, Pierre Cardan--y'all better get out my grill with that "golf" talk. You ain't dealin wit no perpetratin' cracker, y'all. Don't make me school yo ass wit the fo-five again, wangsta....

I think for my next stunt I'll flute a cylinder and contour a fully-lugged barrel using nothing but my Dremel and a little sanding drum..... Dave, I do remember seeing somewhere that Randy has promised us some sort of incredibly light DA on a .22 revolver. 4 pound DA on a 617 would be quite a feat, now, wouldn't it boys??

I used a 10-shot 617 at the Steel Challenge in 2004 (the only year I have attended that great match), and it worked very well. I have always used CCI Mini-Mags for competition, even back in the old days. Before the 10-shot 617 was available, I actually shot a 9-shot High-Standard Sentinel I had slicked up--it did very well for me at the local plate rack matches! I think maybe 1 misfire in 1000 is about what you should expect from a .22 revolver. The action on my gun is smooth, but fairly heavy. I have bad-mouthed the C&S extended firing pin elsewhere, but this gun is the one exception where I found it helped me drop the mainspring tension down a little more than I could otherwise. (I think that means my original firing pin did not have quite enough protrusion, each gun is different, but it might be worth a try.) As John said, the extended FP will ding the edges of your chambers if you dry-fire without snap caps, I had to use my dremel to clean up the burrs I made. My 14-year-old daughter won the junior division at the Missouri Steel Championships last year with the 617, proving that even smaller-statured people don't necessarily need super-light revolver actions to do well with round guns.

I also recommend choosing one of the .45 ACP wheelgun options. The folks I know who've used a 610 in USPSA Revo division always seem to have eventually gravitated to the .45. Consistent reload speed is so vital to success in our division.....

Waltermitty, I am really moved by your kind words......thank you! Sam's adventure into the competitive shooting sports has truly been a great experience for him. He is a fortunate kid indeed, not only because he gets to have so much fun at these matches, but also to have had the opportunity to make so many quality friends, many of whom I know will be life-long friends, from all across the country and from all walks of life. Our fellow shooters have really been great to Sam. When EB's article about Sam made it into the junior spotlight in Front Sight magazine, Sam got a personal phone call here at home from a GM who read the article and just wanted to congratulate him! Shooters (and friends from this forum) have helped Sam by giving him shooting equipment, comping his entry fees at matches, providing him with ammo, and helping him with gunsmithing assistance. Countless other shooting friends have been extremely generous with their time and their attention, in countless ways. How many kids Sam's age get to be treated with such respect by adults? Not very many. The tough years are just starting. Sam's now a full-fledged teenager (he turned 13 this past week), he's grown out his hair, and he's learned a whole bunch of new ways to frustrate the living crap out of his mom and me! You know what that's like--every parent goes through it. But even though his taste in music has become questionable and he's picked up a few detentions this year at school, Sam still loves playing baseball, camping with his Scout troop, pheasant hunting, playing his trombone, and shooting IPSC with his friends. I'm pretty confident it will all work out OK. Thanks to all of you who have been so kind and considerate to this particular father/son team, and to all the other fine junior shooters participating with us out there!

Now which one of you pointy-heads wants to factor back out the hits that because of the bigger bullet diameter just became no-shoot penalties?

OK, I was just reminded, the "Randy" who shot was the young cowgirl who goes by the name "Holy Terror."

......and what's the real story behind the fact that Rob, Todd, and Doug didn't shoot this match???

CR Speed!

Remember way back long before GunGames there was PSI--Practical Shooting International?? I've still got a bunch of old issues around. In fact I used to write a column for PSI called "Let's Talk Revolvers" during my tenure as a part-time gunwriter....

A couple years ago my son Sam (then 11) and I saw a fellow shooter DQ'd. This was the first time Sam had ever witnessed such a thing. The shooter handled himself exactly the same way you did, RePete. I was extremely grateful that he had been such a fine example of sportsmanship for my young son to see, and told him so when we had a private moment later in the day. I made a point of telling Sam that's how a man handles his mistakes, on and off the range.

Well this I know: Frostproof, Florida is still Cliff Walsh country. Congratulations to all.

OK, he was going to be my first guess (we shoot with him sometimes in IA and NE), but there are a couple of other strong-shooting Rogers out there..... Now which Randy was involved?

I'd like to be the very first to congratulate myself for my astute prediction back in October.... Congratulations to Jerry and all the other shooters who participated in what should be a very good thing for our sport! I see a couple of late cast changes occurred.....which Roger and which Randy played?

Dan, Dan, Dan.......look at that, Bwana Six-Gun's even using the little angry smiley on his post! That's a real challenge, you know!! Maybe we need to have a little friendly team competition, using the Mississippi River as the dividing line: Wheelteam East (FL, TN, MA, KY, WI, etc.) versus Wheelteam West (LA, CA, IA, MN, CO, AZ, OK, KS, etc.)......!! Looks to me like Wheelteam East better hope that "East of the Mississippi" extends all the way to Holland and Italy! (heh-heh!!)

I looked and looked at 9mm 1911s, and researched this option pretty hard. But everybody seems to agree that about the best you can hope for is 99% reliability using 10-round .38 Super mags with 9mm ammo. Nobody makes a 10-round mag for 9mm, although you hear periodic rumors about various manufacturers who are "going to release it any day now." The way I figure it, 10 rounds of 9mm just doesn't quite work in a 1911 pistol because of that tapered case design, which is why there are no 10-round 9mm single stack mags on the market. Of course, 9-round 9mm mags are available and supposedly work fine. But then you only have 9 rounds, which would defeat the whole purpose by 50%, right? I went for a long time without ever owning a .38 Super competition gun, but I like the cartridge so much I now own three (including one revolver). I will tell you this--a 10-round .38 Super 1911 with good sights and a nice trigger is a really nice-shooting gun!! I'm really glad I got my Kimber. I've shot it in several matches and it's done a really nice job.

Cliffy109, look at it this way--if you're certain that the capacity advantage more than offsets minor scoring, then you can procure a good reliable .38 Super 1911 along with a few 10-rd. mags and go clean up!! I did just exactly that, trading into a Kimber .38 Super a couple months ago, because having studied this quite a bit, I remain convinced that having those two extra rounds in the mag will create a slight advantage at SOME matches I will shoot this year. Of course, I am keeping my .45s available as well, because I am also equally convinced that the major scoring will tip the scales in its favor at SOME other matches I will be shooting (including the upcoming Single Stack Classic, which will almost certainly be set up with 8+1 in mind once again). You see, there is no answer that always applies--it's completely dependent on how they set up the match. It all depends on the round count of the stages, and where the reloads naturally fall in those stages. So having both guns, and the flexibility to shoot both well, is the ultimate answer. (By the way, when capacity stays the same, shooting minor will ALWAYS be a disadvantage, all other factors being equal. The scoring disadvantage of shooting minor is just too stiff. I believe we will find the provisional SS rules actually come very close to putting the major/minor platforms at parity. As a serious USPSA revolver shooter, I think they should do the same thing for revolver--allow the 8 round wheelguns, but scored minor only--once again, it would become stage- and match-dependent as to which option would create a slight advantage.) Or so it seems to me.

RePete, not exactly sure what you mean here, but if you're suggesting that lowering the mass of the hammer contributes to misfires, that is a huge (yet often repeated) misconception. Fast slap always beats slow crushing blow when it comes to primer ignition. These light hammers allow us to take our double-action pulls to places we can't go with stock hammers--the spring tensions can be lightened up even more and still maintain 100% ignition reliability. That's the whole point of doing all that whittling! Yes, Federal primers are generally the order of day for revolver competition, although I'm using factory Winchester white box 9mm ammo in my "converted" Model 627-4 8-shooter, and with a lightened hammer I've been able to dial the DA pull down under 6 pounds. With Federal primers, I can take my actions down to about 5 pounds, and still have 100% ignition reliability, even with a dirty gun, mixed brass and loose moonclips.

I said "danbagger"??? Golly, that must've been just an inadvertant Freudian typo on my part......

I deliberately didn't say anything when I saw Hopalong approaching M in Limited, because I knew he'd start danbaggin' them classifiers just to be contrary and prove me wrong, like he did right after I started this dang thread. Congratulations, you bottom-feeder!

I took a different approach with my son Sam. Sam was 11 when the first picture below was taken with the Model 10 and Comp III speedloaders, he already had a USPSA President's Medal hanging from his bedpost.... By the time the second photo was taken, at the 2005 USPSA Nationals, I had switched him to a Model 646 in .40 caliber (still shooting minor). He was 12. By the time we shot the Minnesota Sectional Championships last fall, Sam had switched to a Model 25-2 with 174 p.f. loads. Not only did he finish 3rd of the 7 revolver shooters, but the unofficial combined results reveal that Sam and his 6-shot revolver actually beat 37 other shooters, mostly adults with autopistols: http://www.cmps.org/section/2005sectional.html#revolver http://www.cmps.org/section/2005section_combined.txt Yesterday Sam turned 13, and he can now handle revolvers, 1911 single-stacks, and my Limited gun very well (he commented at last week's match, shooting Limited, that having all those bullets in the gun felt like he was cheating!) Having started out on a revolver and speedloaders, the other divisions seem really easy by comparison.