Carmoney

Wow. I've watched guys with that rig, and I'll be honest--it looks really precarious to me. You gotta really make sure the gun is properly engaged into the holster, it's just a little too easy to get it perched on there but not really locked into place. I'm not saying the speedsec can't be used safely, but it definitely requires an extra level of diligence to make sure the gun doesn't fall on the ground. I've had guns fall out of my CR Speed twice (once unloaded and once loaded), and that was enough to make me switch to a full-pouch Blade-Tech kydex rig for USPSA stuff. To answer the original question: The Safariland 002 with the front loop removed will work just fine for the long barrels.

Y'know, maybe there's some variation from gun to gun on this, but my .38 Short Colt loads shoot perfectly fine in all three of my 8-shooters. In every case, the intrinsic accuracy is more than I can benefit from in a real-world competition scenario. I suspect there's an incompatibility with the particular load you tried. One of these days when it warms up I need to get together with DougC for some scientific testing with my Ranson Rest, and we can sort this stuff out once and for all. I firmly believe we will confirm what I've already seen in my personal guns--that good .38 Short Colt loads will shoot quite accurately in most any .357-chambered revolver.

I guess you can convert any .38/.357 into a .38 Super revolver with the correct reamer. But once again, why? What would be accomplished?

The .38 Short Colt cases are roughly the same length as 9mm.

Good point if you're talking about generic moonclips.....although with Hearthco moonclips with matching brass, the .38 Short Colt solves that floppiness problem beautifully.

Anything that's good for the game......I'm just here to serve my fellow shooters.

A search would have revealed this issue has already been fully resolved: http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?...amp;hl=techwell

I found that the stock thumb safety on my Springfield Loaded had a nasty sharp edge that didn't feel good, so I gave it a nice contour with the Dremel. Using the stock parts, I couldn't get the trigger quite where I wanted it, but after installing and tuning an EGW sear and Koenig hammer, it's perfect now. I also added and contoured a S&A magwell and put some grip tape on the frontstrap. That was 4 or 5 years ago, and the gun has been running great ever since. I tried one of those adjustable Champion rear sights briefly, but it quickly broke. Now I'm just using a plain black Novak rear sight and a Dawson F/O up front.

I'm partial to SS, but there were plenty of 6" (and 8 3/8") 17's made with non underlugged barrels. Yeah, but I have no interest in a 6-shot K-frame .22.

I don't understand why these things bring so much money. They're OK I guess, but there's nothing a .38 Super 8-shot can do that a .38/.357 8-shot can't do just as well, for a lot less money.

I also like the 4" barrel on a 617. Someday if I see a good deal on a 6" version I might try cutting off the underlug, I think that would be cool.

Hard-chroming internals is fine, but the parts should be smooth before the chrome job is done, otherwise you're just putting a hard skin over rough surfaces.

Worst case scenario, you could mill off the magwell part fairly easily. I don't think it's worth worrying too much about, it's pretty obvious that the Caspian Race Ready frame falls within the spirit of the division--certainly more so than some of the huge gaping detachable magwells that apparently still fit the box, wouldn't you say?

Say what you want, but the practical shooting community owes a huge debt of gratitude to Jack Weaver. If it weren't for his pioneering spririt, we'd all be trying to shoot from the hip with one hand.

I love cheesecake and Jessica Alba. Uh....Bob?.....I hate to be the one to point it out, but you are drifting this thread. People may not be done discussing jelly beans. Just trying to help keep things on track before the mods are forced to step in here.

If you're just removing the spur, no problem at all. Use a fiber cut-off wheel on the dremel, then shape and smooth with the little sanding drum and cratex polishing tip. That's all there is to it.

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Yeah, I'm sure Pat was horrifically offended that his post turned into a free-flowing conversation......

Have you considered Taylor throating? It might solve the problem. But I think the real issue here, Bob, is that as long as the USPSA rules dictate 8 rounds max from a position, people are going to wish they could use an 8-shot revolver, even if they were relegated to minor scoring.

Maybe it shows that S&W missed the boat with their current (peculiar) 5 1/4" 625, instead of offering a 6 1/2" std. 625 with a Ti cylinder. Yeah, I have to admit, that would be way cool! I'd probably stop stocking up on ARs long enough to buy at least one of those!

Well since all of Pat's questions were answered very tidily in the first response, maybe management should have closed the thread right then and there......

Well, I didn't mean to hurt anybody's feelings, Jerry. I really didn't. But let's face some facts here: (1) The way the scoring system in USPSA is set up, shooting minor will always create a disadvantage--even in Single Stack 1911 division where you get two extra rounds if you shoot .38/9mm minor, the winning shooters nearly always shoot major; (2) Reloads with anything other than a well-chamfered .45 revolver will always be slower on average--the disadvantage may be slight or significant depending on what gun is being used--but it cannot be denied. For those who think they can't handle major power factor: Except for rare cases of true disability or lack of physical strength, I have news for you--the problem is probably in your technique, or in your head. I've watched all sorts of people, from pre-teen kids to women in their 50s, shoot N-frame revolvers with major loads, and be effective and competitive. For those who are interested in starting out in Revolver Division--well, I sure don't want to dissuade you from competing with us, and if all you have is a .38/.357 by all means give it a try, but you should be aware that shooting Revolver in USPSA is a tough task, and you're making it even tougher on yourself. If you can afford it, the sooner you can upgrade to a .45 revolver, the sooner you will be competing on an even playing field (and the sooner you will have more fun doing so). Or so it seems to me. Disclaimer: No offense is intended to anyone. No defensive reaction is required!

Wow, they are SO much more street-worthy and tactical now.

Remember in ICORE you can always use a second load on the long-range stuff--as long as you identify it ahead of time and it makes chrono. I did this with my 625 at the IRC last year--shot plated 185-gr. HBRN for the match, all except the 50-yard line at the standards, where I shot a 200-gr. SWC at major P.F. because it was accurate and hit exactly to point of aim at 50 without having to dial up my sights. So if you really wanted to, you could shoot Short Colts most of the time and get the advantage of the quicker reloads, and then switch to long-range accuracy loads in .38 Spl.--or even .357!-- brass when you get to the long-range standards strings. Or you could simply develop a good .38 Short Colt load and give in to the fact that it will shoot just fine, even at 50 yards, whether you want it to or not. (Funny how some of the same folks who believe that longer bullet jump is detrimental to accuracy also believe in Taylor Throating with a free-bore section.)