Joe L

I could have used another Kadet host frame.

I have CGW parts in two P-09's but I'm using the CGW hammers which you can't use. Just call David at Cajun Gun Works and ask him what he can do for a production gun. CZ Custom can also help fix you up. With the CGW parts, mine was good enough to win several local bullseye matches last year. With the CGW hammer and sear, an overtravel screw isn't really needed as the trigger goes nearly to the frame anyway. With a tuned stock hammer, that may not be the case. The lock up and timing of the P-09 make it a very, very accurate shooter, the best I've ever shot. That said, I still love the steel 75 and 97 models as well. (Shooting a plastic gun in a bullseye match dominated by fancy 1911's is a hoot, too.) Joe

Just going to the CGW light trigger return spring from the standard CZ spring will make 5-6 oz difference in single action.

You don't have enough spring tension, possibly installed the trigger return spring wrong? Here's a picture of my spring in a 75 frame for reference. The pin won't walk out if the spring is in correctly. Joe

Here is the spring unhooked from the trigger bar. Here it is installed under the trigger bar in the little groove Stuart mentioned above

All you need for the P-09 is the replacement spring. The P-09 already has a pivot pin similar to the CGW pin for the 75 so it is easy to remove and reinstall. The P-09 spring is the same as the 75 also.

Missionary Mike--I have two P-09's. One is an IDPA ESP gun with fiber optic sight, the other has a red dot and I shot it in bullseye matches all last year with good results. I think the P-09 is one of the most accurate production pistols made. If the gun fits your hands well, then get it, with the CGW package. I have over 10,000 rounds through one of mine, with the CGW package. Very happy with it, but it isn't for everyone. People with small hands may not like it much, it is a large gun but with fairly short reach to the trigger in single action mode. Here is a short video shooting the gun at 100 yards from a rest. https://youtu.be/geZfj_PNVb4 There are some installation videos on my Youtube account that may be of help if you find a pistol and want to put the CGW parts in yourself. Also some 200 yards videos. Joe

Friend of mine got one in January. I have shot it, liked it a bunch. Seems very well built and accurate, runs 100% with several different types of ammo tried so far. The trigger is listed as 5 lbs, and it is 5 lbs. I will get it down to 3.5 lbs with some standard 1911 parts. Joe

I love the P-09 but only shoot it in bullseye matches, of all things. And at 100 yards, and at 200 yards. Most accurate and repeatable pistols I have. I have two. Joe

A quick group with the P-09 from last Friday for some of my bullseye forum buddies who are not familiar with CZ's. The other holes are from a 22. Gun still has a Burris FF III red dot. Joe

Scott--It will be a while before I can part with the scope I have, as bullseye matches have already started back up. When I buy another Ultradot HD Micro, I'll send it to you. I'm using your standard 75B mount on a 97 if anyone asks, fit perfectly. I am assuming the P-09 dovetail is identical, since I have a 75B cut Slaughter mount on my P-09. It is a two piece mount and I prefer yours, however. Joe

This is why one buys a plastic gun--JB-Weld works great on it. The trigger guard is also trimmed. It was an experiment in ovalizing the grip and it worked so well that I didn't change it. And yes, I have won a few bullseye matches with it. And the fellows with the custom 1911's had the same response that you had. That is a Springer Precision mount for a 75B (same dovetail) with a Burris Fast Fire III with a 3 moa dot. It has held up perfectly for over 8k rounds. I have an Ultradot tube type on the 22 Kadet but I haven't tried to mount on on the 9 or the 45. I use the Burris on both of the centerfire guns. I love ugly guns. I love competing with guns no one else has ever seen. Truth is, in Bullseye, the shooter matters, and the shooter to gun ergonomics matter. I am able to get the ergonomics right with the CZs for me and my long fingers, so I shoot the CZ's. Joe

I'm doing what I can to help with the bullseye matches. They are a lot of fun...and no procedurals for me. Here is another 200 yard attempt video with the P-09. Gun is phenomenal. I didn't get quite as excited this time, since I knew that it was going to be possible to get a good group at 200 yards with a 9mm pistol. Joe

I took up bullseye match shooting a little over a year ago and shot much of last year with a CZ-75B with a Kadet in rimfire and a plastic fantastic P-09 9mm in centerfire. We have a small group of 15 shooters that get together once per month to shoot 9 ten shot targets with each type of pistol, so 900 point rimfire match followed by a 900 point centerfire match. Most of the other shooters use a 22 conversion on a 1911 frame or a Ruger for rimfire and a 1911 in centerfire using handload 775 fps lightly loaded ammo. I won a few of our local matches last year using the Kadet and P-09. For 2015, I'm moving to a CZ-97 in .45 for centerfire. I got it in January and have been getting the spring/sites/ammo right since then. I do a lot of practice single hand at 25 and 50 yards. But I also enjoy shooting from a bench two handed wrist rest at 100 and 200 yards with the pistols. I have never had a bad 100 yard or 200 yard session with the P-09. I have only shot the Kadet and CZ-97 at 100 yards so far. The challnge is not how well the gun shoots so much as how well I can duplicate the sight picture for each shot and then pull the trigger without moving the gun. Imagine that. I thought those of you that don't shoot bullseye or who have never shot at 100 or 200 yards might like to see what it looks like and also may be surprised to see that "groups" with a pistol at these distances is very doable. 25 yard timed fire CZ-97 100 yard P-09 2 weeks ago 100 yard CZ-97 2 weeks ago 200 yard P-09 2014 100 yard P-09 Kadet 4" group at 100 yards Try some pistols at distance some time. Might surprise you. Joe

I think you will be fine with that setup and the stock main spring. My Kadet host frame is full of CGW parts and the SA pull is a little over 2 lbs with the 17 lb spring. I think it has always been in the 2-3 lb range. Even with the 17 lb mainspring I don't think your DA pull will be close to 12 lb. Maybe 8-9, but those that run DA/SA should be of more help to you here on what to expect than me, since mine is SAO. Joe

In general, as EERW said, a 17# hammer spring is required to get the Kadet to light off the 22 rounds 100% of the time. A 15 will work, say, 90% of the time. Some people have been a little luckier. I just converted my 75B to SAO, and leave the 17 in it all the time but I don't shoot IDPA or other run/gun matches with it either. I have about 31k rounds through one now. I did swap springs back a forth for a while, but that defeated the purpose of training with the 22, in my opinion, due to the heavy DA pull from the draw compared to the 11-13# centerfire hammer spring pull. Joe

I may be able to help you out a little. The P-09/07 grip is flatter on the sides, less oval shape than the 75 grip. Also, the trigger reach is different. Here is a video comparison. http://youtu.be/gByPKEX4z4E That said, I fattened up my P-09 grip and added some material to the front of the trigger, and got the feel pretty close. The comparison is like this. The P-09 feels like the grip was molded around the magazine, then the front and rear rounded some. It makes for a light, narrow grip for a service gun and is great for a lot of shooters. I have very long hands and fingers, so I like more reach and fatter grips, to get the reach to the trigger better for me.

I have the Springer mount for the 75B on a CZ-97 .45 cal and it works great with a Burris FF III 3 moa. This is a bullseye gun. Excellent mount. Sight zeroed in just a few clicks both directions. Steve--The new Ultradot HD-Micro looks like it could fit on the Springer dovetail mount if the mount was drilled for the 4 Ultradot base screws. Any chance you might make that pattern available? I really like the Ultradot HD-Micro. Currently I have the rail mounted version on a Kadet slide to which I added a rail. I use the Burris FF III 3moa sights on a 9mm P-09 and on the .45 cal CZ-97 and they work fine, but I would love to have the tube type mounted on a dovetail mount. Joe

I liked the parts and trigger in mine enough to shoot a P-09 in a year's worth of local bullseye matches in 2014. Coming from a Glock, my bet is that you will be very very happy with a P-09 with aftermarket parts from CZ Custom or CGW. I've also shot some very good groups at 100 and 200 yards with the gun after installing a red dot sight. The mechanical fit and lock up of the gun are excellent. If you like the way it feels in your hands and like the grip to trigger reach, might be a very good choice for you. Joe

200 yards, twice, with a plastic gun, 9mm. groups, not single shots. http://youtu.be/Jx9A1KbeTBw http://youtu.be/6s-tf4_rxfk

Sight is limiting, shooting from a forearm rest. This red dot is too dim on its lowest setting, but the dim dot is very crisp. I have the same Burris Fast Fire III 3 moa sight on a Kadet and it is brighter but still very crisp on its lowest setting. Anyway, we had a calm day here in the desert, but 40F and humid, so I had to adjust the hold point from an attempt earlier this week. Here is how it went... http://youtu.be/6s-tf4_rxfk I don't think I'll fear 100 again after trying 200 three times. CZ P-09 and AA 115 JHP match or reman are a great combination, couldn't be happier with the gun. Joe

I installed a temporary pre-travel stop on the P-09 trigger and drilled it for an overtravel screw as well. That worked fine for SAO, simply by limiting the travel of the disconnector and trigger. Same way you do it on a 75--never let the trigger travel far enough forward to catch the double action notch. The problem is designing a permanent pre-travel screw in the polymer frame gun. I didn't like the position of the safety for SAO operation, so I decided to hold off on the SAO conversion until I modified a safety lever to work well in SAO mode. By that time, CGW or CZ Custom may have a trigger with both screws and the conversion to SAO will be easy. Joe

I just ordered a 97B"E" from CGW. CGW will install a match bushing and send me a bag of parts to make it SAO and have the same feel as my 75B. It will be a bullseye match gun with a Burris Fast Fire III 3 moa sight.

I put a bunch of CGW parts in my rimfire bullseye gun, about 1-1/2 years ago. I haven't tinkered with it much since then. I actually cleaned it right before Thanksgiving, after this picture was taken.

These guns are good, as long as the ergonomics are good for you. Here is a short video from today at 100 yards. Really good 4 shot group. http://youtu.be/geZfj_PNVb4 Here is one from another target from today. I can usually hold 6" group if the wind isn't too bad. This one is 4-1/4" for 5 shots. http://youtu.be/jBky9M2ZR_0 I can't believe this is possible with a $460 gun plus a red dot and some (CGW) trigger parts. Mechanically, the gun is excellent. I have a second one that is just as good. Joe