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  1. Thanks for the suggestions. I'm going to see if by chance something used is out there for an open gun. If not, put in an order and shoot carry optics until the build is done.
  2. If the right package comes up I might scoop something up used. I figured carry optics will get me back in the loop. Someone will likely have a package for sale I can inspect before I buy here locally. I'm very particular so I'd rather just buy once and cry once.
  3. On the open gun I'm likely just going to go with the classic Cmore. I noticed the RTS2 is on a lot of new builds so might just grab that for carry optics then throw the same thing on the open build if I like it. I'm going 38 SC so I wasn't sure is smaller profile of the RTS2 was more for 9 major ejection port clearance.
  4. Hello all, So I've been away from USPSA for about 5 or 6 years. The whole mid 30s career shuffle took me away. At any rate, I'm about to jump back in and decided on Open. While I was away the guns have changed a bit, shorties, stroked, titanium comps, tungsten sleeves, full length dust covers, metal grips, endless red dot options, and oh my build prices have increased (not a criticism just and observation). I'm definitely going to have to do a bit of research before I stroke a check to one of these fine builders and drop 6 to 8 grand. Then there will be the whole 6 to 14 month wait. So until then... Carry Optics! I'm going to grab a Glock 17 or Sig X5 just to get back on the range and catch a few matches. My question: Which dot?? I looked at a few different options, Delta Point, RMR, Romeo, RTS. Honestly they all have a good enough window and dot to get the job done. So not really looking to debate all the individual characteristics. Which one seems to be taking the abuse the best?? Thanks
  5. If not for men with guns willing to kill for laws they don't agree with, what power would politicians wield? If politicians served the interest of the people they wouldn't need force, they would have the power of the people.
  6. I tell kids coming up who are unsure they should just be a fireman if they have the desire for public service and I work as an Academy Coordinator. Everyone has an opinion, I always just put it back on them. Ask them who their District County Commissioner is, who the Sheriff is, who is on the City Council, who is the City Manager?? Then I expand on to State and Federal Government and how they need to recognize their issue is with politicians not police officers. I just use the moment of opportunity to get on my soap box, LEO's follow and enforce the law, not write the law or dictate policy.
  7. Trojan Bomar STI Slide, CK frame, and KKM Barrel. I basically built an Eagle clone but with a flat top using top notch parts. Finished with Graphite Black Cerakote.
  8. Mass issue is the actual test of a concept's applicability to LE. THATS why I included a time frame. It won't happen in the next 20 years if ever . Having a couple scattered teams here and there isn't much for demand or proof of concept. Shields, Revolvers, Thermal Cameras, Suppressors, Night Vision, Laser Light on Revolvers for the guy carrying the shield and/or Optics are all widely used but not always standard issued due to budgets and City Hall or County Commission politics. HOWEVER since you wanted to go there, optics can be super useful for clearing a room or house in a low light situation with a guy who has barricaded himself and girlfriend into a back bedroom. Throw in a little smoke or gas and guess what you can't see sights through your goggles for the guy now holding a knife to her. Basically any call after dark would be useful with an optic because you cannot see your sights with the mounted flashlight underneath. Night sights don't actually work all that great so it evolves into point shooting looking over the slide. There is a lot of discussion in LE communities of how certain situations Optics can be a huge advantage. Granted the day shift guy working in broad daylight probably won't benefit all that much from an Optic, but most likely he's command staff just trying to get to lunch and back. Since that day shift guy going to lunch and back approves the budgets you are right it probably will not be approved. So you are probably right good sir, I concede. Exactly, why would anyone want or get a optic slapped on their gun when training dosent even happen. HOWEVER since you wanted to go there, the RMR'ed guns that LE guys are using wouldn't fit into the narrowly requested ProOptics rules set described in this thread. Look at the RMR'ed guns LE guys are using all you'll also find features like full stippling(not legal), undercut trigger guards(not legal),grip recontouring(not legal),cut near the mag well for ripping stuck mags out(not legal), backup irons(not legal)extended controls for use with gloves(legality depends on which parts used). I would love to be a fly on the wall for that guy who does this to his duty issued firearm. It would be hilarious, because most agencies have strict policy on this. On the other hand, I love a good rebel sticking it to the man, to heck with policy. So you are probably right good sir, I concede. ​A optic isn't any different. The departments that are liberal enough to approve a optic usually don't mind the other things. Go ask Dave Bowie who he's been building optic duty guns for for the last 15 years. See how that went? The division that is claimed to be a place where these guns can be competitive in dosent even allow for a majority of these type of guns that are already out there. What!? Huh!? How'd did what go? Okay you're right, I'm stupid, I concede. A majority A majority of the "ProOPtics" guns that are already out there would be ILLEGAL for production optics division. Don't get all smug. I conceded and said you were right already. What the heck do you want!? We are off topic at this point and not making much sense so let's end this right meow
  9. That's funny,I have less invested in my open gun than you have listed for PO, but I using your logic you need to start the PO list with a Tanfoglio stock 2 or 3 that's all worked over so that ups it another $1500 and you are still going to want to reload so that cost needs to be there as well You're probably right. It was just a guesstimate not really scientific more of a soap box rant. Production with a Stock 2 and a Dillon is just as expensive as Open. Open guns can be had for a decent deal from time to time. Maybe at the end of the day we just need to shoot Open minor and shut our dirty yappers, but I want to shoot Production Optics!
  10. You are absolutely insane if you think LE will be using RMR's in the next 20 year for mass issue. He said nothing about mass issue or twenty years. Some LE agencies already issue them to specialty units. All this talk of making a competitive division for people with poor eye sight is hilarious. If you have poor eye sight, you won't be competitive period. Stop kidding yourself. Some people can see the targets fine, they just can't see the front sight, reading glasses don't work for shooting. This type of vision loss effects everyone at some point in their life, because our eyes age. Optics help solve this problem. Mass issue is the actual test of a concept's applicability to LE. THATS why I included a time frame. It won't happen in the next 20 years if ever . Having a couple scattered teams here and there isn't much for demand or proof of concept. Shields, Revolvers, Thermal Cameras, Suppressors, Night Vision, Laser Light on Revolvers for the guy carrying the shield and/or Optics are all widely used but not always standard issued due to budgets and City Hall or County Commission politics. HOWEVER since you wanted to go there, optics can be super useful for clearing a room or house in a low light situation with a guy who has barricaded himself and girlfriend into a back bedroom. Throw in a little smoke or gas and guess what you can't see sights through your goggles for the guy now holding a knife to her. Basically any call after dark would be useful with an optic because you cannot see your sights with the mounted flashlight underneath. Night sights don't actually work all that great so it evolves into point shooting looking over the slide. There is a lot of discussion in LE communities of how certain situations Optics can be a huge advantage. Granted the day shift guy working in broad daylight probably won't benefit all that much from an Optic, but most likely he's command staff just trying to get to lunch and back. Since that day shift guy going to lunch and back approves the budgets you are right it probably will not be approved. So you are probably right good sir, I concede. HOWEVER since you wanted to go there, the RMR'ed guns that LE guys are using wouldn't fit into the narrowly requested ProOptics rules set described in this thread. Look at the RMR'ed guns LE guys are using all you'll also find features like full stippling(not legal), undercut trigger guards(not legal),grip recontouring(not legal),cut near the mag well for ripping stuck mags out(not legal), backup irons(not legal)extended controls for use with gloves(legality depends on which parts used). I would love to be a fly on the wall for that guy who does this to his duty issued firearm. It would be hilarious, because most agencies have strict policy on this. On the other hand, I love a good rebel sticking it to the man, to heck with policy. So you are probably right good sir, I concede. See how that went? The division that is claimed to be a place where these guns can be competitive in dosent even allow for a majority of these type of guns that are already out there. What!? Huh!? How'd did what go? Okay you're right, I'm stupid, I concede. To the eyesight thing, at that point, the eye sight isn't the only thing making a person non competitive if they where in the 1st place. This is just one more cry from the guys who started IPSC with tunnels,walls, long streches between shooting boxes,and summersaults to test gear retention, but now want to dumb the sport down for them now that they are older. I'm 32 with perfect vision. I want to shoot Production Optics because I like to shoot with an optic. This is not an instance of people trying to dumb a sport down. Yes, people mentioned vision only to support the argument/want/need for another division. I am stupid so you are probably right good sir, I concede.
  11. You are absolutely insane if you think LE will be using RMR's in the next 20 year for mass issue. He said nothing about mass issue or twenty years. Some LE agencies already issue them to specialty units. All this talk of making a competitive division for people with poor eye sight is hilarious. If you have poor eye sight, you won't be competitive period. Stop kidding yourself. Some people can see the targets fine, they just can't see the front sight, reading glasses don't work for shooting. This type of vision loss effects everyone at some point in their life, because our eyes age. Optics help solve this problem.
  12. Production optics division sounds fun. Open is pricey to get into and pricey to maintain. Many people like shooting with an Optic but the price to play is too expensive. Open $4000-$5500 for a new gun, $2000-$3000 for a used gun plus another $500-$1000 for repairs on someones used problem. Lets just say$3500 for a gun $600 for a Dillon, oh you want the case feeder and bullet feeder, oh now the 1050.... lets just say $1000 for reloading press/equipment. Mags? you want them tuned right? Lets just say $500 Hours of frustration tracking down N105, Autocomp, HS6, Silhouette,etc... 40 per pound need sample lbs of various different magic dust to develop secret flat load. I'm being conservative... lets say $300 Brass, well after you spend 100 hours reading every 38 super vs 9 major load on the internet pull your eyes out and bring yourself to the edge of insanity you still have to buy brass. Guess what buddy, there is also super comp and 38 super TJ too! We won't include the doctor or therapy bills. Let's say $150 for 9 major $300 for 38 super... So $200 That is $5500 not including aggravation, starvation, therapy, and at least one failed relationship from reading 38 super vs 9 major during "our time". Production Optics Glock/M&P/Beretta/XD/CZ $500-$600 Milled slide and Cerakote refinish $200-$400 Magazines $80 Optic $250-400 2000 rounds of factory 9mm $550 That is about $2000 without aggravation, starvation, therapy, and she is happy because "our time" is not spent reading the entire internet to decide between 38 Super and 9 Major. Cheers,
  13. The 17L slide weighs the same as a 34 slide which is only 2 ounces more than the 17 slide. The added barrel length will add a few extra ounces as well. Whether this is too much weight out front would depend largely on the shooter. Maybe it would be hard to point/drive into the target maybe not. You might get some benefit from the extra weigh out front paired with the added down force of the comp. The comp can create more torque from the leverage of being further in front of the gun. The trade off from the added down force vs more weight to drive/point the gun would be highly subjective. It would certainly be a cool project, just don't go into it expecting amazing performance and also realize resale value would be low. Also it could be a stinker and you will invest time and money only to realize you hate it. There are several barrel manufactures who might take a special order to cut a threaded 17L barrel. It just might take a while to get the order to process. As for the coffin cut sight tracker yikes! It would effect the unlocking of the gun and most likely be timed all wrong. Then again if you are really handy it could be awesome. I'm guessing a trashed slide and trashed barrel are more likely the result of this experiment. Hybrid barrels still lock up to the top of the slide on the sides of the hybrid rib, so you would need the comp/barrel to make contact toward the front of the slide. This sounds like an expensive disaster of frustration. At any rate, if funds are tight and you can't afford the expensive mistake I wouldn't jump into this project. On the other hand, if you are prepared to take a potential loss for the sake of science then I say go for it!
  14. Brazos Manny Dot for me, because I would go too fast causing slop in my accuracy. If you are accurate and slower on speed try the bigger lightening rod to speed up. I like both for different reasons, but currently I'm focusing on Alphas so the Manny Dot gives me a better sight picture for tight technical and distance shots.
  15. Hello, The final verdict on the STI Edge. I feel the overall value of the gun is pretty decent. If you are a weekend/local match warrior that wants a solid gun with a lifetime warranty, I feel it is a pretty good buy. If you need a back up gun to throw in the range bag in case your main mojo takes a dump on you, I feel it is a pretty good buy. If you can only buy one gun you plan to shoot the snot out of and travel across the country to some major matches, this is where it gets a bit tricky. I have owned two samples of the STI Edge. I have since sold them both, one now resides in Hawaii as a back up, the other is down the street with a good friend. Word from Hawaii the Edge is running great, but mostly sits in the range bag. I did swap the ejector and put in an Aftec extractor before sending it off because I could never get consistent ejection. The Edge down the street from me has been back to STI once for a new frame and needed an Extractor swap due to a crack. Since then it has been great, running for many thousands of rounds on stock STI parts. I know a lot of people say to buy a custom, which is a solid argument "if" you have a custom builder that is nearby or one you really trust. The reason I say nearby is because unfortunately some builders are complete jerks. I have had some really bad experiences with builders a few states away when you are just a voice on the phone. I waited a year for a gun to have it a relatively short time before it broke, then was told he had new guns to build and mine wasn't a priority. I had another builder take my deposit then after 8 months tell me I was rude for checking back so frequently after I was quoted 6-8 weeks. Three months later (over a year from initial deposit) and after a letter from my Attorney I got my $1500 back. I tried the used market, which I bought a super sweet custom for $2900 that I shot 2 matches with then the slide cracked. Builder apologized but since I wasn't the original owner, I was very politely told to pound sand. So the custom route can be a mouse trap, while STI you get exactly what you expect. STI is a solid gun that might have some problems, but they will fix no questions asked any and every time. Now to disclaim, there are some great builders out there, so by spending a little extra money you can get an excellent custom for about 30-40% over an STI. Just do your homework, get quotes, get timelines, and get warranty information if you can buy from a guy in the local circuit you get to see face to face custom can be wonderful. I live in Central Florida and have the luxury of some pretty great guys to choose from. If you live in an area where you do not have any local builders find out who people in your area have had good luck with buying out of area. WARNING!!! Do not base your decisions on looks. I made the mistake of getting caught up in all the fancy cuts and lines not considering reliability and performance. If you have the money and looks are very important to you then buy two pretty guns, hopefully they work, but if not your rich so buy some more. For us normal guys, find a builder who puts reliability and performance above all else. My current guns are pretty basic and not very special looking, but they have perfectly fitted top quality parts. If I couldn't find a builder I felt I could trust or I was on a limited budget, I would by a factory STI Edge again. As for regret, don't regret buying an STI Edge, they hold there value fairly well and any problems are covered by the lifetime warranty. The Dawson CRP is a pretty good bargain, it has some decent upgrades and should serve you well. I personally haven't owned a Brazos or Dawson tuned gun, but I could see the value. My recommendation if a 2011 must be had is buy a used STI Edge or Eagle with 3000-5000 rounds, which can be found at a pretty good price point and most likely any bugs would have been reveled and/or remedied by then. Plus you still have the lifetime warranty if things go wrong. Now if it is a new shooter trying to get into Limited on a limited budget. By a GLOCK 24 or 35!!!! Seriously!!!! or shoot production!! Total set up is under a $1000 for a complete rig with a few necessary upgrades. Focus on learning the sport, focus on the shooting fundamentals/foundation, and buy lots of ammo. Mentally most people, myself included, are/were just trying to buy their way out of bad shooting skills. It is so easy to get caught up in the equipment race because mentally we don't want to admit we suck. We blame everything then convince ourselves spending thousands of dollars will make us better only to discover we spent our money to discover we still suck. Buy a Glock, then spend money on training and ammo for practice. I promise this is the better route. After you practice and train hard, then after a couple years go buy yourself your dream gun. You will meet builders along the way and gain priceless knowledge. All this is of course very subjective to a person and relative to their financial situation. Good luck, and enjoy. Later, Mike
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