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Thanks. I will try this load tomorrow and test. 3n38 is a pain, to full...

What length?

Just seconding this. By far my biggest confidence boosts came when I did more than half my practice at 50 and 25 yards exclusively.

i shot it yesterday with a 8 hf, 3.97 with some D's. If the hf is corrected that will probably be a 65%.

.006 under flush has been very successsful for me

as an 8 shot revolver shooter, I completely understand this sentiment...shot a match yesterday that was all 8 shot arrays and steel all over the place. Misses are always bad(duh) but the question is, with exactly 8 rounds when(is it ever?) worth doing the reload to make it up? The answer for me anyways is most of the time its much better to just leave it.

The punchline is you should be thinking in terms of hit factor all the time including(especially) in practice and you need to know alot about what your HF is to do thing. For 99.9% of shooters it doesn't matter and it should not effect how you shoot a stage.

The story i heard was that in the early 2000's, essentially, a holding company that sold gun locks purchased S&W. A fallout from that was basically building the lock into the gun as a means for the holding company to incease lock sales...you can't not buy it. The holding company later divested S&W in the late 2k's, but part of that deal was the locks stay in the guns so said lock company makes out after the fact through presumably some kind of license or agreement...

didn't vogel shoot down more plates in the pro-am one year than the open winner?

A whole bunch of professional athletes and olympians use the "Crutch"...

I think quite the opposite is true really. I sat and talked with a guy from ruger at a match this spring. Rugers is by far the #1 manufacturer, they move something like 1.2 million guns a year. They alone are more than glock and s&w combined, and every other manufacturer is really a joke in total guns shipped per year. They look at the competition market, say all of USPSA and IDPA membership combined, and see a number like 40k units total assuming they could sell a gun to EVERY member. They do the math and they know it is not worth the cost in tooling and startup to make a gun for this market. So, yeah, they understand the competition market perfectly from the perspective of a for profit corporation, the segment is a looser for them.

Yeah, that's why I was asking, trying to get some data.

agreed. I shot it today and my best was a 3.82 clean, and that is doing nothing special by any stretch... I can easily see someone great connectiing on this in sub 3 seconds...

classifier calc is still showing a 6 as a 100%, so either its wrong of more likely its not(and never will) be adjusted....

yeah, well having data and adjusting, that's what i'm trying to figure out.

how long ago?

has anyone shot this with an 8 shot? what was your HF and where did it fall on the classification?

Plain old clays. I have a good amount of it as powder of choice for 38 long colt load.

I ended up with one of these http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0019VWSQ8?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_search_detailpage doesn't fit our budget though, but easily can carry what you are talking about + a couple guns in sleaves...

It makes me sad that these things are not the same.

This is for match performance. This is how you improve. In practice, shoot within your capability, gradually increasing the speed until accuracy suffers. At this point don't slow down, work on bringing the accuracy back up. Yeah, I hear you, I am definitely in a rut on this right now and I am not being successful at going just a tiny bit faster and pulling the accuracy back up. The tendency is for the dot to fall off the target, I see the dot in the A or on the plate, working trigger and just before it breaks the dot does something crazy. It seems to imply maybe over anticipating recoil, but then sometimes the shot goes crazy high. I am doing more than one thing wrong when things go wrong I guess. edit...the loop is, it always comes back to trigger control. I need to refocus on working the trigger fast in dry fire and keeping the dot where it should be while doing it and not accepting what I am letting happen now, becuase when recoil comes into it, its amplifying in a huge way. today i was doing an elprez style drill at 12 yards. what struck me was if I run this drill anemically slow with like 45 splits/transtions there will still be some low hits sneaking in. If I run with mid 30's, its not that much worse, maybe 2 low out of 12 instead of 1. The twister is, if I just 'go for it' and run as fast as I can work the trigger and transition which is like a mid 20, it doesn't get worse. this really bends my brain becuase when i just go for it, its bascially feels out of control...

Another observation with these guns. The barrel is advertised as a true 9mm, a 355. The cylinder holes however are 357, you can prove this to yourself of course by dropping a 357 bullet through and you will see they pass through easily. In my testing if I have two bullets of the same weight, but one is 356 and the other a 357, this is good for an easy +20 fps change. If you shoot a 358 bullet which is going to swage on the way thorugh the cylinder, velocity went up +30 fps with no powder change. a 358 will not pass though my cylinder, it needs to be hammered through. I am pretty sure its bad practice to do this though as it beats on the gun pretty hard I imagine, so not advised I don't think. But they do shoot and they are very accurate.

In my testing, on average and almost with striking precision, my 929 is 50fps slower than my 5" autos. The only powder I noticed a less precipitous drop off was clays.

929 headspaces on moonclip. You can load them as long as you like. Just realize if you get far enough out, there might not be enough bullet inside the brass to hold it, so the bullet will slip out under recoil and the OAL gets longer and you loose velocity.

In my older hoppers that I leave titegroup in, they discolor and never ever have static cling. Its only the new hoppers that it sticks in.