Gunjack

Looks like everyone is going to start scoring PCC as a separate match with no participation in side matches such as man on man. Afterall, it's a rifle entered into a pistol match. Hey I know, lets holster our PCC's and they'll let us in I have a PCC but I'm not going to push it, just have fun with it from time to time. No reason to cause a rifted in the sport; PCC's tend to annoy some hard core pistol shooters. For those who are solely dedicated to PCC, maybe they should start a PCC only match (like the PCC nat'l); that would be fun.

Plus 1. Is that why registration is at a trickle?

Ultradot L/T (made in Japan) and sold at Ultradot USA (Cmores first Rts but with smaller dot). Ultradots been selling these for years, long before Cmore started buying them. Pretty sure cmore gets them from the same place but with some mods.

Plus everyone loads at a different OAL for various reasons such as rifling depths

Generally manufactures recommend mag primers in calibers such as 357 and 38 super because of the charage volume and powder type. Most load their 9mm long which technically turns it into a short 38 super, it seems logical to use Win SPM (or simular), and their the same price as the SP. Excellent results here so far but agree with most, if it goes bang and chronos well, use it.

Lots of opinions, have fun and shoot safe.

Not easier except for sorting out the junk brass and pitching out the 9mm cases (ammoland, imt,fm, etc) with the reinforcements inside the case, not to mention crimped Nato primer pockets. It's all part of reloading but there are some elements that make the 38s more attractive at the Reloading bench especially when considering load data options. It's simple, the 38s case can hold a larger volume of powder which creates more load options, using a wider variety of powders, bullet weights, etc.

I shoot both, 38sc and 9 open,if I was to ask myself which would I rather shoot if the idea of picking up brass was not an issue? Reloading for 35+ years, 38 super is such a joy to shoot and reload, especially in major. As it currently stands, you have to admit, the 38 super is far superior with options for developing a vartery of clean soft loads. As for the labor involved at the Reloading bench, the 9mm creates alittle more brass work. As for picking up brass at the range, the labor is simular, just at different times (after the stage or after the match). As for cost, it's like me driving my 2016 Vet around town looking for the cheapest gas or using Walmart ammo in a high end shotgun. Although my opens guns are not identical so as to compare recoil and reliability, I shoot the 9s at club matches and 3gun, and the 38sc at larger matches simply because I'm lazy and don't like picking up brass, plus I would rather use the that time to enjoy the sunshine and my good friends. So which caliber is better? The 9 is probably cheaper as brass cost goes but the 38s is currently superior at the Reloading bench by far. Its my opinion that 38s is not as violent as the 9 at major but thats my guns and my loads. Open is not exactly the right place for the economy minded. Which division fits in your wallet?

... weird and exotic, like a double barrel semiauto 38 super comp with a 60 round mag that shoots ipsc target seeking ammo? Maybe we should stick with improving our skills to gain an edge. For me, open division is a blast but agree with most, an improvement in the optics department would be a huge leap forward. If leupold would use an Aimpoint bright dot on their DPP with little bit bigger window or cmore would shorten up that ugly slide ride. Let's face it, it's a lot about looks. When you pull your mount and slideride off, it looks cool as hell. With the 'I would rather hide it' slide on, ... well, you tell me. Most only use it (slideride) because the options are almost zero considering the reliability concerns of the other. As for the cost, most have a $1500+ scope on their $1000 3Gun AR, so a $600 dot on a $5000 open gun seems reasonable. If only a manufacture would make a reliable completion style optic with a bright dot that looks cool, they would dominate. Maybe if I glue the top half of my RTS2 to th bottom half my leupold ddp???

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Agree, if it won't last or has a reliability issue, competitors won't buy it. Maybe Aimpoint will come out with an MRD or maybe Trijicon/Lopuld will come out with a competition friendly model. Until most see a better option, the slideride will still be the number one dot on open guns.

... and not to mention cost, large shooting window, and it sits on most open guns in service. Sèems the slideride body could be shortened to reduce ejection issues and maybe be more appealing to builders. Own and tried them all, the mrd's ... seems most always end up returning to the slideride despite that list of problems and it's ugly appearance.

Those are popular among some which proves a point. Not an engineer but seems cmore could shorten their slideride without major changes in performance. Maybe its a tooling and manufacturing thing. Seems the RTS2 was offered to compete in the MRD market .... you have to admit, it looks very simular to some others out there. Years ago, Tasco did the same thing ... which looks just like the JP.

Maybe this is off topic but it seems everyone is wanting a short slideride. Nothing wrong with the slideride except for its lentgh. If cmore was able to shorten the slideride even just a little bit, believe they would corner the market. It seems do-able.

Comps that actually work means light recoils spring, not exactly reliable when things get down and dirty however, like most thing in the gun safe, wanting one is enough reason for most.

^^^^This .... 6 is also great for long range steel in 3 gun

Bought a canoe ... ranges here are flooded.

Try Rem 6 1/2 rifle primers; believe that has a thinner cup thickness for a lighter strike. Revolver shooters deal with the same issue all the time ... light strikes.

Chiming in since owning some of the related scopes mentioned in this post; Razor, Swaro, M4 w/CMR2 and the VX6MG w/ CMR2 (no M6) .... Razor has all the elements except for the weight, the Swaro except for the cost, and the M4 CMR2 is not a true 1X. Note: actually enjoy using the M4 because the glass is awesome but illumination is not really an option ...... which bring us to the VX6MG with CMR2. Personally, I like the CMR2 reticle an use it without the illumination even close up .... (that VX6 push button thing is not user friendly). The CMR2 upgrade does improve the VX6 but unfortunately, there are still other things the VX6MG lacks as a total package. Since so many of us spend a lot of money just to shave a second or two, the speed a good crisp dot (Razor/Swaro) is worth the cost. Although if your not in it to shaving some time, than buy the discounted scopes and be happy. In conclusion, Leupold makes an awesome product, their service is outstanding, and owning several of their scopes, I really like their products ....... though for 3G, first choice would be the Swaro or the Razor, in that order.

I've experimented with most all the options out there, SJC (3), Stingray and Carver, for various reasons, mostly because it's fun to play with new stuff. My choices; the SJC (2) for 3G and Stingray for USPSA. There two question you have ask yourself when setting up a Glock with a C-more; are you going to do the work yourself and/or do you mind running the C-more on it's side? If you want to run the C-more upright and over the slide, you may want an experienced gunsmith to work out the ejection issues. Running a low mount over the slide can cost you some headaches (or a match) unless it's setup almost perfect. Running it on the side equals no ejection concerns. I've also successfully experimented with off setting the C-more but that's another story.

Arrendondo loading ramps: Occasionally there's a stage that puts you in an odd position which may require an extra round or two to complete the COF and this ramp causes an obstruction. Do most 3G matches rule allow that ramp to be removed and then reinstalled ... or is there a common rule that covers this ... or there just isn't one?

Agree. I could shoot my 627 at minor and beat up on the 625's, but could this happen? A manufacture then develops a 40SW 8 shot revolver? Probably already on some manufactures drawing table. The debate will be then to allow the 40SW 8 shots to become major. Oh yeah, it's already major and an easier argument to win than changing the capacity or rounds fired rule. Ops, there goes the 627. Leave the equipment race in the hands of the competitor, not the manufacture.

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The idea to allow 8 shots into the USPSA revolver division is an old argument that started way before they adopted the 6 round only rule. My experience with competing in USPSA matches with a revolver include Pre Division and Post USPSA revolver rules, plus owning 6 and 8 hole revolvers during both periods. A few of my classifiers were shot with an 8 hole prior to the transition in rules. If the stages are 8 round friendly, the 8 shot wins hands down. Two basic fundamentals apply when competing with a revolver, no wasted shots and the focus on reloads; for me, 2 extra shots would be a clear advantage. Example: Myself and a small group of revolver shooters competed in a sectional Prior to the narrowing of the rules that only allowed 6 hole revolvers; all of us used 6 shooters (because one of us didn't own an 8 shot and we wanted to be fair to him) except for one competitor... he beat us hands down on all the stages that were 8 round friendly; plus he shot minor. Yeah we won on the other stages but the spread in time was a tad to deep because of the dead stop standing reloads. Unlike the single stack division (8, 9 or 10 rds), having 8 over 6 is a huge factor in many of the stage designs. If the rules are change to allow 8 rounds to be fired, I'll be using my 627's and put the 625's away for memory sake. In my view, allowing the 8 shots in could possibly be worse for the division because of the equipment race plus the loss of the 6 shooter ... at the very best, it leaves you right where you started, one dominate gun. Here's another old idea .... create an Open Revolver Division, where anything goes. Would it grow the revolver interest? It would be a hoot But .... hey, I love my wheel guns but let's face it, it is what it is ... a great gun, and just like the single stack, a breed of it's own, just like the men and women use them. Solution: Compete in two divisions, buy an STI/SVI Open Gun; now that's a blast ... and you get lot's of ammo to pop before a reload.

First time to respond on a forum (so hope I did this right), and you seemed hung up here ..... I used an M2 Arendondo cept replaced the .173 pin for a larger .175; it loads smooth.