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If you wanted to have the ultimate 3-Gun Glock 34 what would you have done to it? Who would you send it to? Relibility is important. Don't want to be hanging on the ragged edge of high performance. Cool appearence is relevant. I would say spare no expense, but the full-blown Salient is a little over the top for this hypothetical. Thanks for the input.

Salient Benelli M2 bought right at 1 yr ago. approx 4000 rounds. 1 or 2 light primer strike, with W-M ammo. 2 inadvertant ghost load - not sure what going on there. 1 or 2 FTE, possibly due to limp wrist. 75% cheap wimpy ammo. 25% sts Remington. I don't think I've had any malfs with the STS. so I'm saying 1.5/1000 max. probably more like 1/1000.

Thanks for all the info. its an SVI i'm looking at, and the interchangable breechface is a new one on me. Learn something new every day, no matter how old I get.

what is the deal with changing the breach face? gunsmithing required? does an interchangable face affect function? thanks for the info.

What is involved is switching from a 40 bull barrel to a 9mm bushing? is this tricky or generally easy? inherent problems?

I agree that you should put a lot of finger on it. also get the thumb all the way around the back of the grip. More of a squeeze/twitch than a slap.

You can get singles on an MP-5 reliabily. It just takes some practice. Also, the triggers are not all the same. Except compared to a good AR tigger they are all bad. Keep practicing. It shouldn't take too long (but lots of ammo) before you can take down a plate rack, with fast singles, on full auto. And a vertical foregrip should help with the muzzle rise. I have a B&T fore end that is a lot more solid than stock and that helps too.

I like shooting shotguns. at whatever targets. although i agree flying birds are very iffy as far as consistency, and should probably be used in side matches only at a major match. I keep one for primary home protection, as I suspect many forum members do, so there is practical application. but I kind of miss the old Knob Creek match where max barrel was 20" and only buckshot was allowed. I would not want to see them taken out of 3 gun, regardless of current military application.

If I drive to a major match, i usually take similar (but no premo) back up guns. That saves on having to haul parts - that I might not be able to figure out how to use anyway! After being in this game for several years you'll probably accumulate sufficient spares of whatever you shoot most. For local matches, i keep a Glock 19 in the vehicle with holster, mags & puches and ammo. I have had to use it a couple of times. Such as when a front sight breaks and flies off. For local 3 gun, I figure I can borrow a long gun if necessary, but I've never had to do that.

nice vid. why the glove? hot barrel, protect thumb, or something else?

JP. I have both and the Larue is good, but the JP is better. the CTR is heavier and will have almost no recoil or flip. However, I usually shoot an 18 inch JP ultralght upper on a rock river lower (with JP trigger) unless serious long shots and then go with 20" CTR. I have never heard anyone say they regret buying a JP rifle. I guess I've never heard that about a Larue either.

Can someone post the stage descriptions/diagrams? we are looking for new ideas for a shotgun match in December in Oak Ridge TN.

And I should have added that all these were well addressed at Rockcastle. I am sure many MDs took note.

These are my big 3 issues that can be addressed by match directors. 1. stages where the sun position, wind, foliage or surface condition will inevitably change and makes a big difference. I'm not talking about some rain or a breeze coming thru or some leaves getting shot off, but major issues that could be anticipated. 2. stages that are very long (shooting and/or resetting) unless accounted for in the expected flow of the match. 3. inability to calculate scores and award prizes in a timely manner. But I still am grateful for all the work that goes into a match, notwithstanding. Also, I think experimentation at local matches is good, so issues are to be expected at that level. Boy, I sound like a whiner. But I guess we all do in this thread.

why the big rush to fix a set of rules? Let's let this play out. Let people experiment and tweak things for a while. No one should be so set in his ways - as far as 3 gun goes - that he can't read/listen to the rules at each match and adapt. Maybe we will end up with 2 sets, one for speed and another for accuracy. some matches may go one way and others another. choices.

I mean Chuck wagon. I probably won't qualify for any checks, but I can eat free BBQ!

I'm in. Got a room. Hope we can get Larue to bring the check wagon.

The Chameleon belt looks like it is flexible and would fit any size waist. is that correct? or is is stiff? The Otto belt appears to be stiff and might not fit snug on a thinner person. However, the stiffness might help in snatching shell off it. Does anybody have both?

I am in the same situation as Nimitz as far as putting a 28" barrel on my 3-gun Benelli M2 for clays. Do most of you agree with using the IC choke for sporting clays? I am likewise a casual and infrequent clay shooter.

If you are talking the Pro-Am ones, they were home made as well. Those were my 5X5's being used. What size were the bases? I believe they were rectangular. did you have a flag or foot on the rebar ot keep it stable in the ground?

What about those used at Rockcastle? Does anyone have the source of those plates and stands? Or the dimensions for the face and base of those plates? The plates seemed to stick to the based like they were magnetized!

I agree with the "no coaching" posts. However, today I was ROing a stage at our local 3gun match, and a new shooter had, what was for him, a hopeless jam with his pump shotgun. I handed the timer to the scorekeeper, safely (but violently) cleared the jam, gave him his gun back and let him proceed. Now, I know that wasn't right, but I don't feel bad about it.

I don't want to sound like a lawyer (although I am one), but I don't think the particular type of scoring system will have an effect on liability. Unless some match director gives bonus points for sweeping the peanut gallery. Hmm, maybe that would be a good way to cut down on unauthorized coaching. But that's another thread. I think we have room for diversity.

I have both and like them both a lot. Dont shoot them in Production, however. Mostly 3-gun. I usually shoot Alanta Arms factory ammo. I would say I like the 40 minor better due to feel and bigger holes and more likely to knock down steel. However, I have had some issues with springs using the minor loads. The 40 is a little more tricked out and that may be why it is occasionally a little finicky. The 9 seems to shoot about anything, regardless of bullet weight. The 9 hi-cap mag holds more BBs, but that won't be an issue for you. Tough to call from my perspective. I am glad I can shoot both.

I think it is great that different Outlaw matches have different scoring rules and allow for different procedural rules on stages. Its a states' rights type of thing - each match can be an experiment to see what is best or most popular, and each can be flexible according to what the organizers want to do. i think as we go along, most of the basic rules will become more standardized, especially safety rules. And the scoring rules will eventually boil down ot a few different sets. And variation will be good, as long as safety is not compromised and a competitor knows the rules in advance.