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If this is true, then yes...you can do it.

Happy B-Day, oh ye with the coolest signature pic!!!

LMAO, I'd be glad to start out in USPSA B class. It would motivate me to get the hell outta there Worry not. I know you don't Ron

Ron, LOL. Problem is, I've never faced Jerry in a match The only "reference" I have is to see how I did against other guys he competed against and tapes/DVD's. This is very unscientific (and people who claim that my 75% statement is a crock get my blessing ). And I'm reluctant to put out numbers and percentages like that, until I shot a match with him. But there are guys like Daniel Roch and Herman Kirchweger who can reach the 90% in matches Jerry attends. I'm sure of that. Remember that IPSC is not just about splits and draws. There are for instance guys who can shoot (a lot) faster (in splits) than Eric G. But he keeps winning. Thanks Ron, that is, in one sentence, what I was trying to say before.

Patrick, what I mean is that Jerry worked very hard to be as good as he is now. All I have to say to other revolver shooters is: Work hard and you can become as good. It is wishful thinking. But it's also NOT falling into the trap of self fulfilling prophecy as most revolver shooters do. Most revolver shooter have the idea they can never become as good a shooter as Jerry. That's a load of brown stuff. With that mentality, you'll probably never be as good as him. Let alone better. Just read the foreword in that little blue book that our great host sells. If you think you'll never make it, you won't. Right now, I'd probably score about 75% of Jerry. I've had my revolver for 2 years now. I'm 25 and I'm going to work my butt off in this game. I see Jerry as an inspiration. Just as he saw Ed McGivern as an inspiration at one time (or maybe still does). And it would piss me off if I would be measured against "lesser gods" because other people decide I can never be as good this other guy who started out just like everybody else. I want to play with the big dogs, even if it means they'll kick my ass severely every now and then (prolly more now than then ) Sorry if this whole thing comes across like a big rant. Believe me, it's not. I just wish people would just go out there and give it their best shot, instead of limiting themselves like this. So I repeat; "what one man can do, another can do"

Ron, I knew you were joking. We use the international classifier system. It's fairly new (2 years I think). As long as we can prove that Jerry is human, I wouldn't exclude his scores. What one man can do, another can do.

I don't think USPSA revo shooters suck. I think the there are a lot of very competent revolver shooters out there (in the whole world). It's just a matter of time before they get out there and do their thing. I attended the Chzech Nationals this year. On the list was 2001 European champion Gunther Knaus. He was fifth and I was 6th and only 0,3% behind him on my first level 3 match! The winner was Herman Kirchweger (a favourite for next years' EC) and 2nd place had 93%. So this means that you can become Euro champ in the first year a division exists and be an 90% guy two years later, because of "new" shooters. This is what's happening in revolver div. Guys like Jerry are incredible. But Jerry didn't win every stage when he attended the WS. New shooters will rise. Shooters who have the goal to become World Champion. I'd say, let Jerry's scores count on (inter)national classifiers. It would stimulate me to work harder and become a better shooter.

Hehe, how about a 10 round capacity limit in IPSC production?

Generally speaking, I perform better at matches than training. In training I try to find my limits and pass them (throw mikes, or fumble reloads etc.). In matches I am more careful and focus a lot more. Stress has a very positive effect on me. I doubt I'm the only one who has that.

Tactics for gaming stages with a wheelgun depend roughly on: 1) How fast your reloads are 2) How accurate you are. If your reloads are fast (2.0-) you can make them either during short or long movements, which make planning a stage easier If they're not that fast, it's best to make them on the big movements. You'll always run faster if you don't reload. So, try to avoid "just in case-reloads". Use every round wisely, and AIM. In IPSC revolver everything is scored Virginia.

1.2 seconds.......hmm. That would be a "decent" draw time. To do a draw, 6 shots a reload and another 6 in 1.2 seems physically impossible. I think I can't even maneuver the gun from draw to "reload" and back on the target that fast.

LOL, I can see this thread being locked after 1000 posts, all saying: Federal.

Ron, thanks. I did the drill warmed up at the end of a practice session. I'm the only revoshooter in our club, and like competing with some of the open/standard shooters. It's great fun. You're right that being warmed up etc. makes a great difference, but cold under 6 is no problemo. I can hit a 2.0 reload on demand and a 1.25 draw shouldn't be a problem. And yes, my transitions are just as fast/lame as my splits on close targets.

Federal

I've done this drill a week ago on 3 "classic" IPSC turtle targets. Lowest time was 5.14 seconds, 3xC 9xA. That was with a 1.71 reload. 625-2 revolver .45ACP major (175PF). My splits still suck wind. Worst time was 5.31 with 4xC. Draw on all runs was in the 1.00-1.05 region. I think it's possible under 4 sec. Under three=no way in hell

Hi Flex, I get what you're writing here. I fall into that category too. Shooting groups helps me with that. Allow yourself to get the points. I've noticed that the perception of speed is a great factor here. When you're trying to go fast, all your mind is occupied with is speed, so your constantly telling yourself that you're fast. This makes you feel fast. When you go for points, your mind is occupied with a lot more than "going fast", like alligning sights, confirming sight positions etc. You're mind isn't telling your body it's going very fast, because it's doing lots of other stuff. That's only perception. You can go fast in either way. All you have to do is ignore the feeling that you're slow when you go for points (at least, that's my little project for now )

I can't think of a reason why this won't work. Still want to respond. Nice going Vince!

Vince, 9mm is the minimum caliber in IPSC to make minor. In standard and modified division this has it's effect on magazine capacity (box rule). "Fortunately", standard/modified have the "10mm to make major"-rule. And since major is the way to go in every division except for production, I don't think standard/modified shooters will be bothered by it, but the shooters that shoot 9mm minor will be. And in countries like Denmark, where you can shoot nothing bigger than 9mm, I can imagine this would be a great disappointment. A pro of lowering the minimum caliber IMO is that the choice between minor and major will become interesting again, since the difference in capacity is larger than it is now. In open division this has it's effect on magazine capacity (170mm mag. rule) Since open has no restriction on major ammo, except the "120 grains to make major"-rule, I can imagine that people will start wildcatting and coming up with 160PF 7,65 ammo and 170mm mags that will fit 35 of those. Yet another equipment race. And since this is one of the biggest and arguably the most expensive division, I can imagine a lot of people will be disappointed when the minimum caliber is lowered, and new foo-foo guns will rise. The question for this class would be: how likely is it that effective "open-legal" (120 grains 160PF) guns with a much higher capacity will be made? (IMO, it will be a matter of time). In production division, this has no direct effect on magazine capacity, since there's no box rule or 170mm rule. But I can imagine that existing models that are chambered in 9mm, have a higher capacity than when chambered for a smaller caliber (A glock 17 type model magazine would hold at least 20x 7,65mm). So the question for production will be: how likely is it that major gun companies will start cranking out high-cap guns that shoot <9mm ammo? In revolver division (which IMO has PERFECT rules) it will not have any significant effect at all. The best argument against all of my cons would be that the guns that shoot <9mm ammo are in the "old 'n crappy"-category (maybe we can make a new "old 'n crappy" division ). We're talking about letting Tokarevs and Makarovs enter IPSC, right? I would however not underestimate the chances that people will take advantage of the proposed changes. Since it will be strictly a capacity issue, I think this could be prevented by restricting capacity in those guns to "9mm capacity", or something like that. I would make sure that people that enter IPSC with a 7,65 have absolutely no advantage over 9mm shooters.

Why make a round that already shoots as flat as the rainbow even shorter and decrease case capacity? Did they make them small primer (to avoid brass sorting troubles? I don´t get the whole idea behind it. Get a .40S&W or a .45 ACP. Tried and tested.

My thoughts are with John and the family

Didn´t we have this whole discussion before? (and wasn´t it you that started it back then too ) http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=3739&hl=

A lot of the problems you have could be in the attitude you have towards the physical process of firing the gun. Lots of people have the urge grip the gun really hard to `control´ the gun. That doesn´t have to be a problem. It becomes a problem when you try to control recoil with your trigger finger. Your hands control the gun and have to deal with recoil, but your trigger finger is there only to pull the trigger. Isolate it. Your hands drive the gun, and the trigger finger pulls the trigger while the gun is being driven. And don´t stay on the trigger too long. Pull it and release it while (or before ) the gun is recoiling. Don´t hold it back to get the gun back on target. That job is for the gun and the rest of your hands. I second what Rhino says. Dry fire. Deliberate follow through helps, but to me it was not something I could ´just do´. I had to learn it. It might take some time.

Happy B-Day dude!

Well of coure it's always the shooter. So why dont you pick up that 8 round, sh!t-triggered Walther P5 and whoop my heinie-sighted-glock-toting ass with it

Lance, nice post. Welcome to the forum. I don't have any sure shot answers for you, but a question to add (if that's OK with you ). What if I shoot a CZ and take a 16 round mag apart. I melt the spring into the follower and cut the follower down a little, so the mag will hold 18 rounds. Next thing I do is laser engrave my gunsmith's name and a TM all over the mag. Voila, aftermarket mags that will hold 18 rounds. Are they legal? I have to agree with you that sights, mags(capacity) and triggers are the things that make or break a gun in this division. I would stive to make the choice of guns less of an issue by creating a rules that focus on creating equality between most guns on the approved list.