robertg5322

Two guns, two manufacturers, same issue leads me to believe there's something you're doing that's causing the issue. Have someone video you from different angles while shooting to try and pinpoint what's going on. Focus on hand position during recoil. If I had to guess, I'd suspect your thumb is migrating toward and around the slide stop while firing, but that's only a guess.

I go with GI recoil systems just cause I like the ease of disassembly. I also like the look better. Never had performance issues with either GI or FLGR setups.

Got a Loaded 9mm. With GI recoil plug, EGW magwell, Hogue wood grips with sandpaper on them and Metalform mags, it comes in at 41.6 oz. Metalform mags have plastic bases, Dawson Precision uses Metalform tubes with their aluminum base. They're a bit heavier, not sure exactly how much as I got the Metalforms, they work, hold 10 rounds, and reload easily, so I felt no need to experiment. 9 lb recoil spring, 17lb mainspring, 100% reliable. Switched to STI trigger, SA trigger overtravel screw kept coming loose and the trigger rattled around in it's track. Kimber safeties (I like their retention mechanism for the right side of the gun lever), a .1" front sight and Cylinder and Slide sear, sear spring, hammer, disconnector kit tweaked to give a 2.1lb trigger. It's a nice gun now, SA ignition parts leave a lot to be desired. The frame to slide fit is loose, the thing rattles if I don't use grease on the rails (and even with grease it rattles after shooting), but it's still surprisingly accurate. I also rounded the ears of the rear sight, why they leave them so sharp is beyond me. I think the biggest obstacle to making weight is that two piece guide rod SA seems to love. If you can bring yourself to keeping the GI recoil plug (there's no advantage to either FLGR or GI setup from what I've read) and you go with either the Smith & Alexander or Dawson aluminum MSH/Magwell, you give yourself some room to use VZ grips. I like the smooth wood Hogue units with sandpaper on them, also on the front strap, but that's me. I like VZ grips, but $20.00 for the wood beats $60.00 for VZ, with the same tactile advantage.

Running MG 115g FMJ in a Springfielld Loaded 9mm, 1.110"-1.113". Never had an issue over thousands of rounds using Metalform 10 round mags, or the original 9 rounders or the 3 additional free from SA 9 rounders (admittedly these 9 round mags see little use other than dry fire). Use the gun for USPSA Single Stack Minor.

I have a Kimber Custom II with about 20K rounds through it. Only thing I ever changed was single safety to ambi (Kimber version), mainspring housing to a magwell/MSH and the rear sight to a Bomar. Never an issue. I have since turned it into a .40S&W by adding an STI slide, and Kart barrel & bushing and disabling the Schwartz FPS. I left the lower half alone other than doing a trigger job. Still chugging along after another 5K rounds so far. All original lower parts other than MSH and grips. Also got a Springfield Loaded 9mm. Upgraded ignition parts, trigger, MSH/magwell and front sight. Works great now, trigger was crap before making it nice. Cost a lot more than the Kimber, but I bough the Kimber in 2000, so cost of living may account for the difference or a portion of it. Either are good guns, though some have utter disdain for MIM parts, I've had zero issues with them in either gun (other than the Springfield sear being too small for any stoning).

On another note, I can't say enough good things about Metalform 10 round mags. Got 12 of them for $24.00 from Midway (they have a birthday discount, I was only shopping cause I got a gift certificate, and saw the cheaper price, go Midway), and every one has been flawless. A pain to unload (when unloading them outside the gun), but small price to pay for excellent quality mags. They drop free, feed perfectly, are easy to load, and have light plastic base pads helping make weight.

Thanks for the info Mr. Clark. Slide does not make contact with the dust cover, and the barrel sits nicely in the slide. Not tight but no perceptable play in barrel, bushing or slide. If accuracy starts going away, I'll give the Accu-Rails serious consideration. As it stands now, it's very accurate, which surprises me. Again, thanks for the info. Bob

Grip safety fit was (is) ok, but not great. Bushing and barrel seem good. Slide to frame is the only really loose fit.

Rear of slide and frame on mine was ok, matched up well. Finish is good. If the rattle was affecting accuracy, I might be upset. I think I just expected better fit for what Springfield charges and tne crap sear was annoying but an easy fix. I'm all about function over form though, and the gun works well so I'm relatively happy with it. Be nice if $1,100.00 bought more quality though...

I just can't bring myself to hard chrome a stainless gun. At least not until it being loose affects performance or accuracy.

I like the look of the traditional guide rod. Also helped me make weight. And easier to take down. Springfield FLGR is the worst design I've seen. Requires a tool to take the gun apart and has a reputation of coming apart on its own. That said, everything I've read says there's no advantage with either system. Purely personal preference.

In Northern CA, bay area. Never shot off bench but it shoots 2" or so at 20 yards freestyle, standing so I'm not too worried about accuracy. I was more wondering if rattling was usual on the Loaded guns. Does your Springfield rattle? I have (had) a Kimber Custom II that shot equally as well but was free of rattles. I turned it into a .40 cal, still shoots great just with smaller bullets. Kimbers I've seen and handled have been similar. This is the only Springfield I've ever shot but most with them speak well of them. Just curious, why do you prefer Springfields to STI guns? Most on this forum have the opposite opinion. I have no preference, I have the .40 Kimber/STI mutation, the Springfield 9mm and a Les Baer .45 all shoot equally well. That says a lot for the Kimber as I built it and I'm no master gunsmith, just a guy who likes to tinker. Thanks for the feedback.

I recently bought a Springfield Armory Loaded 9mm 1911. Here in California, it's the only 9mm 1911 legal for sale, and since they're in such short supply, you pay MSRP. Good job law makers. Gun looks nice, and from day one has functioned perfectly with the Metalform 10 round mags. It's about as loose with regards to slide to frame fit as it could be. Both vertically and laterally. Shake the gun and you hear it rattle. That said, it'll shoot 2-3" groups at 20 yards offhand, so I'm not too worried bout this. Might be why it's so reliable. The bushing is not tight, but it and the barrel seem to fit well and there is no perceptible movement between the barrel, bushing and slide in any direction when in battery. Lockup is ok, not tight but not overly loose. Very little vertical movement when pressing on the barrel hood when in battery, so the slide stop/lower lugs are probably fit pretty well. After about 4,000 rounds, no change in accuracy or reliability. Out of the box the trigger was horrible. not overly heavy, about 4.5 lbs, but it had miles of creep and was gritty as a desert. Tried to fix that by some basic stoning of the sear using the Ed Brown sear jig. Funny, there was zero room left for any stoning. The sear edge was at or below the .02 spacer, and when I started to cut the relief angle, it no longer held the hammer. So I replaced the sear (and hammer, disconnector and sear spring, Cylinder and Slide had their kit on sale for like $75.00). After a little work, got a nice 2.2 lb trigger with no creep, super short reset and no overtravel. Money well spent. I know I could have just replaced the sear, hammer hooks were right at .02", but I figured for the price of the C&S kit, why not just put all new bar stock parts in it. Replaced the front sight too, went with a Dawson .1" solid. Like it much better. Last part upgrade was the trigger, the SA trigger was loose and had tons of play, and the overtravel stop wouldn't stay put no matter how much loctite I used. Even using a punch to dimple it where the screw goes through didn't help. So a plastic STI version went in. Nice upgrade. Replaced the FLGR with a GI setup, and an EGW magwellMSH, with wood Hogue grips and sand paper. Makes USPSA weight easily. My question; is the frame to slide play something to worry about if the gun shoots well? I'm guessing at some point in its life I'll have to either get the slide and frame fit or accu-rails installed, but as long as it shoots as well as it does, I'm not going to mess with it.. As it stands now, I have a decent looking, nice shooting gun with a great trigger that rattles like a baby toy.

Got a Loaded 9mm 1911, 9 lb recoil spring, 17 lb mainspring, no issues at all. Haven't changed the FP spring, if it had issues I would have, but it didn't, so I didn't. On another note, the Springfield Loaded pistols (at least the ones I've handled) all shoot surprisingly well for guns that are as loose as they are. I was worried while handling it, but at the range it shoots where it's pointed, in nice small groups out to at least 25 yards. I didn't see any need to shoot out further than that, very few USPSA stages require even 25 yards.

Got a 17b mainspring and 9 lb recoil spring in my S/A 9MM 1911 and it works fine. No problem in about 2,500 rounds so far in setting off CCI or Winchester primers, and tosses brass about six feet. Loads are 130 pf, 115 grain bullets over 4.6gr W231. Not a super light load, but not a heavy load by any stretch of the imagination.

What magazines are you using? With Metalform 10 rounders with the plastic basepad, and the following setup, I'm at 41.6 oz. Techwell also makes the TGO model with the open front. I like this on SS guns so when a mag doesn't drop, you can swipe it with the one you're planning on shoving into the gun to get it out. Good luck, I was surprised how easy it was for my Springfield Loaded to make weight, GI recoil system, ambi safety, smooth wood grips with skate tape, skate tape on front strap, EGW stainless MSH/Magwell and nothing else was required. Came in at 41.6 oz with Metalform mag with plastic base pad. Aluminum base pads will weight more, don't know how much as I only have the Metalforms (and since they work with no issues, I see no need to deal with any other). Good luck with your gun.

I've never seen a negative comment on one. I recently bought a Springfield 9mm 1911 (I live in California), but was initially looking for a DW PM9. Incredibly hard to find out here with our "Safe Handgun Roster" protecting us from such unsafe guns, thank you degenerate Bliss-Ninnies running this asylum of a state. As luck would have it, one popped up for sale locally up almost immediately after I bought the Springfield. Springfield is nice enough, more than accurate enough, but required C&S trigger kit (sear had absolutely zero room for polishing or stoning, trigger is sloppy, slide to frame is not what I'd expect for a thousand dollar gun) and thinner front sight along with the rest of the usual upgrades (maxwell, GI recoil system, smooth wood grips with skate tape, and a supply of ten round magazines. In all, I probably spent what I could have paid for the DW to get the Springfield set up. That said, the Springfield is now a very nice gun, shoots more accurate than it needs to (or should as loose as the frame to slide fit is) and has been utterly reliable with Metalform 10 round magazines. But I could have had this with the DW with little work on my part and about the same money. If you can get one, scoop it up. If you wait, someone else will have it. I doubt you'll regret it, though as stated I've never actually had one in my grubby paws.

Or if A comes is at 43 oz or less, you're good to go.

Got a 9mm Loaded with EGW magwell, GI recoil system and wood grips comes in at 41.6 oz. Not sure if that tells you anything, but the 9mm barrel is thick walled and that FLGR is pretty weighty. I also use Metalform mags with plastic bases. Lighter than aluminum.

Good guns for the money. The only gun at that price point where front strap checkering is standard. Some complain about the Series 80 FP safety, but it's easliy bypassed if you so desire. I wouldn't hesitate to buy one. Company has a stellar reputation for accuracy, reliability and quality. That said, I don't own any Sig pistols. Not for any reason, other than I live in California and getting anything interesting is forbidden here.

For .40 cal, I'd go with Tripp. Just cause for whatever reason, .40 cal 1911s seem to be fickle beasts. Not sure why, 2011s seem to work fine with little fuss. It's nice that you can call Tripp and actually talk to someone. Great company to deal with. I have a 9mm 1911 that has had good luck with Metalform 10 round mags. I also hear Tripp 9mm mags work well. And I have a boatload of el-cheapo, Chip McCormick .45 mags that I got years ago at a gun show for like $8.00 each that have never given me a problem.

I've used Tripp, Mec Gar, Metalform, Check Mate and Wilson Combat. Wilson Combat are 10mm length, even if you order .40 S&W versions. Not an issue if you load long. I don't, and it was problematic until I made a spacer and used Tripp spring and follower. Runs fine now, though only holds 8 rounds. Check Mate was advertised to hold 9 rounds, never was able to get more than 8 in it. Works fine, never had an issue. MecGar also advertised to hold 9 rounds, but only hold 8. Works great, though the floor plate (welded) is super hard. Had to get a tungsten drill bit to drill it for base pad screws. Standard drill bits wouldn't do more than mar the blue finish. Metalform mags hold 8 rounds, and work great for about 5,000 rounds. Then the followers started bypassing the slide stop and not allowing empty mags to drop. Solved this problem by substituting Tripp springs and followers. They work fine again, and I suspect they'll never need any more attention. Notice the trend; any mags that have issues are rendered reliable by installing Tripp parts in them. If I had to do it again, I'd bite the bullet and go with Tripp. Easy to clean, hold 9 rounds, and best of all, they work without having to fiddle with them. I don't need the gun for L10, so I didn't care to mess with the 10 round versions (got a real Limited gun for that). Tripp stuff works. Hard to argue with that. And they're a great company to deal with, when I was ordering springs and followers to make the Metalform mags work, there was a slight delay. Got an e mail from Tripp apologizing and letting me know when the order would arrive, and that there would be a little something extra. Turned out to be a small flashlight. Total time to deliver the order was like 10 days, so it wasn't like they were delaying my order by any unreasonable time. That's customer service, and that's why I won't waste my time on magazines from any other company anymore. Of note, I had intermittent feeding issues until I installed the EGW Higher Mag Catch. Once installed, I adjusted mags to seat, it was not fun grinding the top of those metal floor plates, easier when the plastic base pads on the Tripp, Check Mate and Wilson Combat mags. Once done, never had an issue with the gun. I run standard length ammo cause it's what I run in my Limited gun and some Glocks and didn't want to have separate .40 loads.. Works in all guns fine, so I see no reason to lengthen the loads, buy new mags and ream barrels.

Just shot my 9mm Springfield last weekend in a match for the first time. It shoots great but I am getting killed by the minor scoring. I am still in 3 gun frame of mind and need to slow down some. I get killed on points but my times and placing is higher with the 9mm. I think the accuracy will improve, hopefully not at the expense of time. I plan on giving it at least six months to see how it plays out.

On further reflection, would I do it agaim? Yes. I would cause I like shooting guns I built. They ain't pretty but they shoot as well as custom guns costing lots more than I spent. I'm weird that way, if you're the DIY type, build on and shoot it. Forme ii makes my mediocrity bearable.

Ditto the EGW higher mag catch. Also, I had the same issue with a Franken1911, converted Kimber to .40. When I switched to the EGW mag catch and moved to round nose flat point vs. truncated cone bullets(180g), the issue went away. Not sure if the mag catch or the bullet profile was responsible, I switched the mag catch and bullets at the same time. It will not feed anything I give it. Mags are a mix of Tripp 9 rounders and Mec Gar, Check Mate and Metalform 8 rounders. All feed perfectly. Of note, to get the gun running, I had to polish and adjust the extractor, and use the EGW mag catch. Springs are 12.5 lb recoil spring and 17lb mainspring. The gun has an aluminum shock buff from Dawson Precision.