RufDog

I know Neil

I have a razor 1-4, 5-20, PST 4-16 & Razor spotting scope, binos etc. I have been OVERWHELMINGLY happy with them all and everyone that I share them with has been equally impressed. My eyes are getting worse every year and good glass helps. I do not know about a comparison of every one of their products but I did recently look through my binos side by side with same spec swarvo binos. Vortex was better and the swarvo owner pointed it out to me, I was surprised to hear that.

you'll be fine to use a plug if need be

Thx for taking a closer look Chad A.

What Chad A said....

ok, first off I don't care how many people shoot HM. Its a good program, have a ball. I'm sure I'll take a crack at it sometime. This isnt about liking or not liking a division. If I suck I shouldn't get into a shoot off though. The issue here is I really don't think you grasp what we are talking about. With the proposed 2011 scoring; A person could finish last in a field of 10 shooters 3 times in HM and beat out a guy that finished 11th in a field of 200 in TO. You tell me who had to fight harder, train more and generally put in more effort? The TO guy did. The whole point is this, if you do not go off of percentage a guy that is not a threat can land himself square into a shoot off just by shooting HM or TI based on the field being smaller.

I have some thoughts on the issue. I'd like to say up front, I'm going to shoot anyway & its going to be great. Honestly, percentage is the way to go. It is absolutely the best option. I'm all about all the divisions & dont care who shoots what, but everybody ought to get their effort accurately reflected. The reason the sport is getting so popular is tac optics and open. That's where all the product innovation is. That is also where tons of the sponsorships come in. Vortex, Leupold, FNH, etc. Shoving people towards divisions they don't want to shoot is a bad idea. It in turn hurts sponsors that keep the sport going. There sure ain't much of a sponsor base to draw from for crusty-ass 200 year old M1A's that lots of the HM guys say you have to have if you want to win HM. (CMP gun prices are going to go through the roof!) It'd be like USPSA shoving the revolver division down everyone's throat. We all like 3GN getting our sport mainstream, its cool, it helps. One thing 3GN is not... a sanctioning body. I'm sure its going to shake out. I guarantee you anyone with an understanding of this sport is busting Chad A's bean bag. He can comply or take the ache. Its not Chad's fault he doesn't understand all the details of the sport & I am sure a few notables are giving him sound advise. Lets try to not go make him feel like we are being combative and maintain a little emotional stability. A good relationship will (I would think?) be more fruitful. horse...water.... P.S. Trapr, I'm going to empty that soap box in your mouth, you're such a rascal!

You're such a rascal Jesse...

Fire? seriously? I've shot AR500 with steel core inside of 50 w/223 & there was hardly a poc mark. In running a major 3 gun match, we had steel inside of 100 that was shot by over 200 people & it wasn't damaged. Maybe your club steel was AR400 or something.

Tripp

I really like my Razor 1-4. I am yet to take more than a second shot @ 400yd tgts this year. Depending on velocity etc, it matches up well with my buddies 69grs & I shoot 193 or 193 copies (55gr) & the reticle is SH.

That was me, I was the CRO on stage 2, and I was the one that made those calls. I was consistant throughout the match on my stage, but found out later that other stages were calling those hits. I am sorry for the inconsistancy. My reasoning was that steel had to fall to score, and technically it was still on the stand. In every case that I saw, the shooter had actually hit the stand, not the target itself, and the target magically landed flat on the top of the stand. On other stages we were told shooting the stand was a no-go [think about center punching the shotgun spinners and knocking them all off] so I applied the same rationale to my stage. I did have 2 shooters manage to pick up the target by shooting it again, so while it was a more difficult shot, I wouldn't call it impossible. If any shooters are peeved at me for being a hard-scorer, you can take solace in the knowledge that Karma caught up to me and I ended up catching splatter from almost every shooter, and counted 15 separate places on my arms and torso where I bled for the cause. To make matters worse, I also managed to find some poison ivy along the way, and am STILL dealing with that. So, whatever bad juju I built up, instant karma got me back. On a positive note, here are my match videos for everyone to gain joy and humor from my ineptness: http://www.youtube.com/barrysuperhawk I also have some video of another RO that wanted it, but cannot seem to find his email address, so email me dude... Barry, you are a true warrior of an RO. You rock!

noted, I appreciate your patience.

I saw one face down when RO'ing your stage on Sun, I counted a hit. Thought nothing of it. It is good to get all the opnions on 5x5s, it helps to do better next time.

they were made @ a metal/welding shop

I was about to PM the same thing Bryan. Ours are like everybody elses as far as I know & they were new. I'm thinking slope at abou 15 degrees is all a guy could do different. I think a couple things came into play, we let ppl get pretty close due to no fault lines & spectators were allowed close to the action too. I'd say in the end nobody would choose to change that as it was a matter of "free will" & I'm all about that. Ruf weld a lip on the base that covers the horizontal base thus presenting another vertical plane for the bullets to impact and divert from. this also prevents them from turning sideways. ROGER, good copy on that.

I was about to PM the same thing Bryan. Ours are like everybody elses as far as I know & they were new. I'm thinking slope at abou 15 degrees is all a guy could do different. I think a couple things came into play, we let ppl get pretty close due to no fault lines & spectators were allowed close to the action too. I'd say in the end nobody would choose to change that as it was a matter of "free will" & I'm all about that. Ruf

Thanks for the compliments & feed back. I think the admin/back up issue is on me for putting a little too much action on stage 6 & 9. I know now what I would have done different to alieveate that (isnt hind sight great?).

Each stage was worth 100 points.

Rental car. That thing was a warrior. It only took around $10 at the car wash to get it clean. you know, the difference between a rental and a 4x4 is that you can take a rental anywhere........

seeing your car out there was a pleasure

You can see photos I took at www.nrablog.com, click on the "3-gun" tag to the left to see the feed of stories and pics. SQUIRREL & I'm there

That was my boy Jack. I had him count it @ home & I'm pretty sure he's holding out on me.

we really appreciate the compliments guys.

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