d_striker Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 (edited) See attached. Production 10 will remain. I think a better name for the division is Factory Limited. I think holster and mag positions should be same as Production so people could go back and forth without having to change setups. It also keeps it in line with IPSC Production as far as placement goes. Factory Limited.pdf Edited February 2, 2016 by d_striker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackinSD Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 Complete waste. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d_striker Posted February 2, 2016 Author Share Posted February 2, 2016 Haters gonna hate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richc2048 Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 I'd shoot it. Open is to a Ferrari as unlimited production is to BMW. Production is govern set at 55mph. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackinSD Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 Limit the mags to 15 and I'm with you. So basically, change production to 15 rounds instead of 10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richc2048 Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 Which gun right now can stuff the most ammunition in those dimensions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackinSD Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 Which gun right now can stuff the most ammunition in those dimensions? That's exactly the problem I have with "Unlimited". You would be narrowing down the list of guns to a very select few. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richc2048 Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 There won't be that large of a gap in how many rounds guns hold. Besides, if you're burning to slide lock on a 28 round stage you're not doing anything right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southpaw Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 (edited) So it's just Production with no mag limit; can use as long a mag as will fit in the box? Would probably wind up being around 20-22 rounds for most guns. I must admit, if this did exist I would choose it over Production 10 Edited February 2, 2016 by Southpaw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richc2048 Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 Still scored minor so you can't hose it with all that ammo and do well. I think it'll be interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d_striker Posted February 2, 2016 Author Share Posted February 2, 2016 Which gun right now can stuff the most ammunition in those dimensions? That's exactly the problem I have with "Unlimited". You would be narrowing down the list of guns to a very select few. That's originally why IPSC went to 15 rounds. People were complaining that it was turning into an arms race. I don't know what the capacity is on all guns but I believe the max is 19 rounds. I know the XDm holds 19. I'm not sure what else does. Perhaps this could make the people that think metal framed CZ's have an advantage happy, since they only hold 18. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackinSD Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 (edited) Which gun right now can stuff the most ammunition in those dimensions? That's exactly the problem I have with "Unlimited". You would be narrowing down the list of guns to a very select few. That's originally why IPSC went to 15 rounds. People were complaining that it was turning into an arms race. I don't know what the capacity is on all guns but I believe the max is 19 rounds. I know the XDm holds 19. I'm not sure what else does. Perhaps this could make the people that think metal framed CZ's have an advantage happy, since they only hold 18. Yes, I am aware of why IPSC went with 15 rounds. That's exactly why I chose 15 rounds. We all see somebody come out with their flavor of the week (new provision division of the week). Their usual thought process is, "I don't like the divisions that are available, because of one reason or another, and I want something that will fit my gun perfectly. Maybe give me a personal advantage. Hmm, I shoot an XDm and it holds more rounds than almost any other gun. That's it, make Production Unlimited. And all guns will have to still fit a box so I maintain my advantage." Another excuse for this post, Instead of spending my time working on learning how to reload and working them into my stage plan, I will spend it on the internet stirring the proverbial pot. In fact, I will make another post with a Provisioin Production 15. Or all of these: -BUG division. 6 rounds max minor scoring. -Limited Minor 15 -Production 15 -Limited Minor with Optics. 140mm mag -Lever action carbine -Tactical (lights, lasers, etc) -.22 pistol division. Introduce Ultra Minor PF -.22 Rifle division Edited February 2, 2016 by JackinSD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkS_A18138 Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 I say we go for Open-10 while we are at it, damn lets add unlimited limited also I have 170 mag's...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Racinready300ex Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 I'm game for production 15 or unlimited. I don't think we need both though. I'd say we should also consider a CO 15 or unlimited. Again just one or the other, we don't want to many divisions. Two more divisions puts us at 10, I feel like that is a good number. I don't know if I'd want to go much higher than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackinSD Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 Hell I want and Auto Division. Machinegun only. 2 round mag limit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzt Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 I'm with JSD. Let's have so many divisions that you end up only competing against yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d_striker Posted February 2, 2016 Author Share Posted February 2, 2016 So it seems like more people would support Unlimited Production than P15. Interesting. It also takes out the argument that It's too hard for RO's to count to 15. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackinSD Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 Just bring whatever gun and equipment you have and we will make a NEW Division for each competitor. Let's say like, "Polymer, 17 round, Limited, Minor, Optics, breastfeed". You must bring a note from your mom on the last part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevin c Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 Production is fine as it is. And I like the relative parity of ten round magazines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onepocket Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 The USPSA gods could never be stupid enough to change production, the fastest growing division. Then again they won't smoke L10 and revolver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d_striker Posted February 2, 2016 Author Share Posted February 2, 2016 The USPSA gods could never be stupid enough to change production, the fastest growing division. Then again they won't smoke L10 and revolver. They wouldn't be changing Production. Production 10 will remain for all of those that want to shoot it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onepocket Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 I thought this was a joke thread but you guys are serious. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teros135 Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 No, it's a joke. Really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackinSD Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 A complete joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d_striker Posted February 2, 2016 Author Share Posted February 2, 2016 No, it's a joke. Really. No more of a joke than PCC is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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