Fireant Posted July 5, 2009 Share Posted July 5, 2009 OK, I have 3 open guns with different comps on them that I want to test side by side by side. I am going to run 115's/121's and 125's through them all at about the same power factor. I am going to video shooting from the side as well as make notes after shooting each gun. What I need are some good drills that I can put the timer to and compare what is faster and slower. I know that the gun that shoots flatter may not always be the fastest gun on the clock. I do need a couple 3 or 4 easy to set up drills that I can do, that takes non shooting things out of the equation. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jody Waring Posted July 5, 2009 Share Posted July 5, 2009 I like to set up 4-5 targets starting say at 5m and set next target say 1m to the right and 2-3m back, and so on so they are spread evenly/progressively and what I like to do is moniter my progress how quickly I can shoot this small course and pay attention to dot rise, reset, and if with different guns, transition from target to target. I like to do this when I try new loads, like you say flatter isn't always better where I have had loads that the gun returns more consistently thus better recovery time and faster follow up shots. Even a plate rack has shown me which gun or load I can shoot faster/better. Likely the gun you are more "consistent" with will be the one to stick with. Good luck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boz1911 Posted July 5, 2009 Share Posted July 5, 2009 What about a plate rack?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric nielsen Posted July 5, 2009 Share Posted July 5, 2009 Triple Six is a good drill: http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0BT...0/ai_n16034717/ There's a thread on here somewhere too. Plate rack will do a good job of showing you if your up/down recovery is consistent or if you're yanking the gun between shots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rwmagnus Posted July 6, 2009 Share Posted July 6, 2009 I've always found he load as important as the gun maybe more so. Copmaringthe guns side by side will perhaps give you a preferance but even after you find the right gun a different load could change your mind. Open guns are great once they are set up correctly. Enjoy the process of finding the right set up otherwise you'll just be frustrated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Gaines Posted July 6, 2009 Share Posted July 6, 2009 I've always found he load as important as the gun maybe more so. Copmaringthe guns side by side will perhaps give you a preferance but even after you find the right gun a different load could change your mind. Open guns are great once they are set up correctly. Enjoy the process of finding the right set up otherwise you'll just be frustrated. agree just pick one and shoot it, compare em all and see which one handles the best and shoot that one, but don't spend too much time on it. we have all heard it, its the indian not the bow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boz1911 Posted July 6, 2009 Share Posted July 6, 2009 I suggested plate rack drills (or paper plates for me) because in my case I know my standard times for comparison and it's critical to see the dot to go fast. It's also helped me a lot returning to my Limited gun after 18 months. Seems a good way to push each gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Smith Posted July 6, 2009 Share Posted July 6, 2009 (edited) I don't recall now where I copied the info from, but Matt Burkett has a set of "timing drills" that are very good for helping you compare different things. Just Google "burkett timing drill" and you should find them. Edited July 6, 2009 by Graham Smith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XRe Posted July 6, 2009 Share Posted July 6, 2009 (edited) I don't recall now where I copied the info from, but Matt Burkett has a set of "timing drills" that are very good for helping you compare different things. Just Google "burkett timing drill" and you should find them. Timing drills are good for a lot of things - like finding the timing on a new gun, etc. I wouldn't use a timing drill to compare guns - especially not in an A/B type of fashion. Also, because you're changing back and forth between things, tracking on the guns is probably not going to be "right" - in large part, this is also a "timing" thing. In fact, it may get worse on all three, because your body doesn't quite know what to do with each one... I would suggest: - Triple Six - Vice Pres (basically, El Pres started facing down range) at 7, 15, 25 yards. You can even leave out the reload, and just shoot the first part of the string. Search Eric Stanley's posts (dirtypool40) for "The Partials". Use that array, if you really want to get a good feel for how the gun tracks, etc. - a Steel Challenge like stage (I like Roundabout or 5 To Go), or something similar - an awkward angle stage, like Off Balance Blast - a medium length field course with shoot on the move opportunity ranging from 7 to 20 yards (and try to take as much as possible on the move) That covers most of the game in terms of things the gun's performance will affect. Shoot each drill a couple times with each gun - you're going to be "getting used to" each gun every time you switch, so... Shoot the first one relatively safe, and then try to drive the gun hard on the 2nd one. If you have the ammo, running a timing drill every time you change could be useful. Realize that if one of these guns is your current primary gun, its going to feel best (probably). Ignore feel when you're doing stuff like this Just track scores... Edited July 6, 2009 by XRe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brazos Custom Posted July 6, 2009 Share Posted July 6, 2009 Here is some info that may help: http://www.brazoscustom.com/magart/0507.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fireant Posted July 6, 2009 Author Share Posted July 6, 2009 Good stuff, thanks. All three guns are set-up identical except they each have a different comp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XD Niner Posted July 6, 2009 Share Posted July 6, 2009 Okay, Roger, what bank did you rob to afford three Open blasters? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fireant Posted July 6, 2009 Author Share Posted July 6, 2009 It's a long boring story, but the ending is good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Guy Posted July 7, 2009 Share Posted July 7, 2009 Roger, So, what happened? Which is the flattest?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fireant Posted July 7, 2009 Author Share Posted July 7, 2009 Hey Mario, it's only Tuesday! I have not gotten to it yet. Give me another week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Guy Posted July 8, 2009 Share Posted July 8, 2009 I believe people in your line of work had nothing to do over summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fireant Posted July 8, 2009 Author Share Posted July 8, 2009 I believe people in your line of work had nothing to do over summer. Ouch, that hurt I have to finish the kitchen remodel before I can get to the range. I'm almost finished now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Guy Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 Still waiting......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fireant Posted July 10, 2009 Author Share Posted July 10, 2009 Same here, I went yesterday to start some testing and the skies opened up on me. I did test 2 different powders in one gun and found that just by changing to a different powder, I cut 1.5 seconds off of my tripple six times. My load with Silh. I averaged 11.2 seconds over 10 runs, my HS-6 load I averaged 9.7 seconds. Both loads chrono'd at 172 PF. I'm starting to see and think that a load that feels good, may not be the better load. The Silh. load feels good and I thought I loved this load. The HS-6 load hit my hand harder, but the dot track was amazing. My raw times on the 7 yard targets was identical, but the HS-6 load was always A hits. The Silh. load was about 50/50 A/C. More next week when I can do more testing in without the rain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric nielsen Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 Someone in the classifieds has Vectan SP2 for sale. Only powder I've ever used that tracked better - and flatter - than HS6. If you want to see another tracking difference, shoot 4 rounds of brass brass, then 4 rounds of nickel, 4 brass, 4 nickel. That will get your attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fireant Posted July 10, 2009 Author Share Posted July 10, 2009 Funny you mention that, I use nickle brass only in my 31 round big stick but mixed in my others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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