philproulx Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 straight Hodgdon CLAYS for IPSC PF what's your load and OAL for MAJOR IPSC -----170 PF that's 180 x 945fs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark K Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 40 major 3.9gr Clays 200gr Zero mixed brass cci primer 1.23 OAL Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbbean Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 4.7 gr clays, 180 FMJ, 1.209 OAL in a 6" schueman ultimatch barrel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resjudicata Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 4.7 gr clays, 180 FMJ, 1.209 OAL in a 6" schueman ultimatch barrel Are you getting any pressure signs with your load? I'm loading 4.4 grains of Clays with a Hornady 180 gr. JHP to 1.185 OAL out of a 6" Storm Lake barrel in my Edge. I am getting some slight cratering of the Winchester primers. I am averaging 945 fps which gives me a 170 PF average. Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squishy Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 4.7 gr clays, 180 FMJ, 1.209 OAL in a 6" schueman ultimatch barrel Are you getting any pressure signs with your load? I'm loading 4.4 grains of Clays with a Hornady 180 gr. JHP to 1.185 OAL out of a 6" Storm Lake barrel in my Edge. I am getting some slight cratering of the Winchester primers. I am averaging 945 fps which gives me a 170 PF average. Chris Load longer. With clays 1.20 or longer.( 40 S&W ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbbean Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 4.7 gr clays, 180 FMJ, 1.209 OAL in a 6" schueman ultimatch barrel Are you getting any pressure signs with your load? I'm loading 4.4 grains of Clays with a Hornady 180 gr. JHP to 1.185 OAL out of a 6" Storm Lake barrel in my Edge. I am getting some slight cratering of the Winchester primers. I am averaging 945 fps which gives me a 170 PF average. Chris No signs that I can see, and I'm just barely making major. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHA-LEE Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 Case – Standard Mixed .40 Brass Gizmo Resized to .415 Bullet – Montana Gold 180gr FMJ Primer – Winchester Small Pistol Powder – Hogdon Clays Powder Drop – 4.8gr (Start with 4.5gr and work up from there to be safe) OAL – 1.225 Average Velocity – 950fps Average Power Factor – 171 PF Fired Through - EAA Witness Limited .40 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darrell Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 Case – Standard Mixed .40 Brass Gizmo Resized to .415Bullet – Montana Gold 180gr FMJ Primer – Winchester Small Pistol Powder – Hogdon Clays Powder Drop – 4.8gr (Start with 4.5gr and work up from there to be safe) OAL – 1.225 Average Velocity – 950fps Average Power Factor – 171 PF Fired Through - EAA Witness Limited .40 What kind of group did it shoot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHA-LEE Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 Darrell> You mean accuracy? Or sample size chronoed? From an accuracy standpoint I have not done much testing. I know I can get a 5 round group within two inches at 15 Yards shooting free style and not trying too hard at it. I have not shot them off a sand bag or anything like that. They are plenty accurate for USPSA shooting. As for a chrono stand point I always use a 20 round test set when validating the fps on a load. When I tally the average velocity I will toss out the single highest and lowest fps round and average the rest. This to me is the best way to get a good understanding of how a specific load setup is going to perform. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darrell Posted March 12, 2009 Share Posted March 12, 2009 I meant accuracy thanks. My 9mm Limited shoots 3/4" groups all day, my .40 shoots 1" with 180 zero's and 5.0 of N320 at 1.200 oal. I'm looking to reduce my powder inventory bought eight pounds of clays but didn't get the accuracy I wanted in none of the guns I tried. Will stick with Power Pistol for 9mm, Wst for my .45, and T. G. for my .40's. I thought I could get a good accuracy minor load with clays, but Tightgroup did better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resjudicata Posted March 14, 2009 Share Posted March 14, 2009 Well, 4.4 grains of Clays with a Hornady 180 grain jacketed hollow point loaded to 1.205 OAL is making major with mixed brass out of my 6" Stormlake barrel. It's accurate too. Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sackettwannabe Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 Several of us have had KBs with this powder in the 40S&W. I for one had one in a Browning High Power as did a friend of mine. My load came from the Lyman #47 and was .5gr above Hodgdon's suggested maximum load. These loads posted above must not be being shot in firearms with unsupported barrels. If your firearm has that unique characteristic you may want to "rethink" using the loads posted here. Make sure you work up your loads in your own firearms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbbean Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 Several of us have had KBs with this powder in the 40S&W. I for one had one in a Browning High Power as did a friend of mine. My load came from the Lyman #47 and was .5gr above Hodgdon's suggested maximum load.These loads posted above must not be being shot in firearms with unsupported barrels. If your firearm has that unique characteristic you may want to "rethink" using the loads posted here. Make sure you work up your loads in your own firearms. If you were using the ammo in a HP, you probably weren't loading to an OAL of 1.2 or greater. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sackettwannabe Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 (edited) If you were using the ammo in a HP, you probably weren't loading to an OAL of 1.2 or greater. True enough BUT I was loading to the recipe that was in the manual. Here is a picture of what I used. The bullet was near the exact same. My OAL was as listed in this recipe. Now, it may have worked with the longer OAL but I didn't see a need when the data said this would work. No doubt it would have in some firearms, just not one with an unsupported chamber. Food for thought. Edited March 16, 2009 by Sackettwannabe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resjudicata Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 Wow, 4.0 grains at 1.1" OAL with a 175 gr bullet sounds bad even in a supported barrel. FWIW, the STI's, SVI's and Tanfoglio's have supported barrels. I don't know what if anything currently made in 40 S&W that still has an unsupported barrel. Maybe Glock? Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All-Gator Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 Hope this is not stating the obvious: If you load long (enough) so as to have the bullet seat tight against the lands (ie, not enough leade in the barrel) then the pressure can get extremely high awfully fast with possible detonation. A-G Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sackettwannabe Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 Wow, 4.0 grains at 1.1" OAL with a 175 gr bullet sounds bad even in a supported barrel.FWIW, the STI's, SVI's and Tanfoglio's have supported barrels. I don't know what if anything currently made in 40 S&W that still has an unsupported barrel. Maybe Glock? Chris BHP's are still in production as are Glocks, both of which have unsupported barrels. For most folks, that is what they are going to be shooting any re-loads in. A lot of folks can only afford to have one handgun. One in the $450 range rather than one of the race guns @ $1800 to $3000. Even the BHP is a bit pricey for some @ $800! (speaking from experience! ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resjudicata Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 What's the max length you can load to in the Glock and Hipower? I don't know for sure but I don't think they will take 1.20" OAL even if someone were to put an aftermarket fully supported barrel in the gun. These Clays loads aren't okay for shorter OAL. Even at 1.85" I was getting too much pressure. The length I'm at now with 1.205" is the shortest I would load these. And definitely only for a fully supported barrel. That being said, anybody else have any major clays loads? Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgan Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 (edited) These are all through a 5" STI barrel, mixed brass, WSP primer. Note that all are loaded LONG, and all are ABOVE BOOK MAX. 180gr Montana Gold JHP, 1.220" OAL, 4.55gr clays, 945 fps/170pf. 185gr (187gr, actually) Precision molycoat, 1.223", 4.2 clays, 916/171. 180gr Black Bullet International molycoat, 1.220", 4.3 clays, 940/169. 185gr Colorado Cast lead, 1.220", 4.0 Clays, 925/171. Soft, accurate - fantastic loads. As others have said, Clays MUST be loaded long. I wouldn't go under 1.200", and run a fairly strong crimp. Edited May 8, 2009 by Morgan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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