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Mags Are Falling Out.


TDean

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During several stages on Sunday, my STI mags were falling out of my STI frame.

This happened with all magazines, with varying round-count still in them.

I don't think I'm hitting the release as I've shot a few matches with this gun already and it's never happened before. I don't think my grip suddenly changed overnight. The only "variable" I can see here is the mag catch spring.

The one in there is pretty light, like 3.5# on the RCBS trigger pull guage.

A friend gave me a stock government spring that I cut about 4 coils off to get to about 5.5#

Everything seemed to work ok after that, but I only fired it 20 times with the new spring.

What weight mag-catch spring is the most logical?

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BSeevers let me (and everybody else that read it) on his trick of using a GI mag-catch spring. I've tried it and it's been working well for me, especially in Steel matches where I'd occasionally smack the button whilst surrender-drawing.

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I don't think my grip suddenly changed overnight.

Mine did.

I shot my SV for 4 or 5 months with no problem. All of the sudden, at the Alabama State match last year, I started dropping mags.

Are you using an extended mag release button?

I can't use them. I now use a light spring and NO button. I Have not dropped one since and I have not looked back.

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With the newfangled, super-gi-huge-ic mag relases I don't see how you could *NOT* accidentally hit them occasionally. I'm pretty partial to the small, aluminum knob that's screwd on top of my release button. Subtle, but effective.

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TDEAN:

Carefully check where the detent pin goes into the slot in the mag catch. Some are very close tolerance and some have burrs. by cleaning up this area and LIGHTLY beveling the corner of the T slot on the right hand side of the mag catch you should have no more problems. I had one that drove me nuts untill I figured this out. This one would usually retain a mag but when you did a fast speed load it would just drop back out, and very occasionaly it would drop a mag at the draw even though I knew I locked the mag in real well. KURT

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TDean:

On my Steel Challenge gun, I use a Wolff Extra Power Magazine Catch Spring. Since I don't usually have to do a reload :D in the middle of a run, I want the mag to stay put.

I had a similar problem on my IPSC Open gun and it was due to a LoPro button on the release. I use a standard weight spring on this gun w/ no problems once the button was removed.

BTW, All the mags have been tuned by Bevin @ Grams Eng.

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yes, Tom, most likely you just need a stronger spring. I had exactly the same happen to me 2 y ago. I standard 1911-strength spring solved the problem. Another potential cause of this problem is of course a worn-out mag catch. Since most of us file material off the catch when it first gets put into the gun, it really doesn't take much wear to make it not function reliably any more....

--Detlef

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Thanks for the responses gents.

Yes I'm using extended style buttons. I tried two that day, an STI paddle and the Brazos "cyclone" round lo-pro style. With both installed, the mags dropped whilst shooting.

So Shred, what's the trick? Just installing the GI or.........

Kurt, the catch "detent" area looked good, but I'll check again for burrs. Thanks for the tip.

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may i suggest the dawson's tactical spring. :huh: i had the same problems with my extended mag release button ;) . unwilling to get rid of the button i spent the bucks to buy <_< instead i bought a stronger spring, and after some shopping arround i found that dawson's tactical spring is cheaper than the gi one at brownells (and then add my 5% off with the shooters club discount...) :P . since the switch my mags don't come out unless i want them too. :)

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Get a stiffer spring and lose the button. Every match I see people picking their guns off tables and having the magazines fall out. Or they fall out just from their grip. Don't be one of those goobers with an emotional attachment to a stupid big button!

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That stupid little button helps me out greatly. Actually I use an EGW paddle that I sanded sown pretty slim. I also use a Dawson Ice magwell and I mag the button short enough that there is plenty of clearence between the button and say a table (starting with gun on table). I no longer have to adjust my strong hand at all when doing a mag change. Big help.

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Ya, that extended button helps me keep my index after the reload since I don't need to rotate the grip within my hand. The Brazos "cyclone" won't depress enough to release the mag when on a table.

Singlestank, :P I didn't try it without the button...I should'a don'dat at the last match!

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as i mentioned in my previous post, "MY MAGS DON'T COME OUT UNLESS I WANT THEM TOO!" <_< my thinking is such: if i get a hang nail, i don't chop off my finger tip! spending 2 dollars to make something work better, is smarter than having a 12-25 dollar piece of metal and giving up on something ;) i have them on both my limited and open blaster. and no, they don't fall out when picking them up from tables. and no, they don't fall out when transitioning from strong hand to weak hand, or vice versa. bottom line: they work for me. and yes, i am emotionally attached to my blasters, and i don't think that theres anything wrong with that. :P

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<_< Just to stir up trouble, I'd add: Lose the ambi-safeties on those guns unless you're left-handed. There's a guy who lost the Bianchi Cup because of that. Same guy had ambi problems, on my squad, at an Area match...

Having trouble with mag buttons, ambi-safeties, and grip safeties says nothing about your shooting skill. But it knocks you out of match contention anyway. I've seen it happen to many, many shooters.

dvc - eric - a28026

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OK GUYS,

I'm having the same problem with a couple of my SV mags. During strings of fire they just fall out. They do this in both of my guns (1-new STI, 1 SV). So it is my thinking that it is something wrong with the mags and not the mag catch. Any suggestions? THANKS!!!!!!

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