paraman1 Posted May 25, 2003 Share Posted May 25, 2003 How much TG are you guys using to make major with a 200gr. bullet . I am using the West Coast 200gr. RN bullet with federal lg. pistol primers . I dont have access to a chrono so I need a good starting point . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megaman Posted May 26, 2003 Share Posted May 26, 2003 i've used and settled on 4.3 gr of tite group through my springfield 5." they got me 176-180 pf with meister plated 230 gr heads. sorry no data with other bullet wieghts than 230 gr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane Thomas Posted May 27, 2003 Share Posted May 27, 2003 4.7-gr. Titegroup gives me right on 850 fps and a 170 pf with a Laser-Cast 200-gr. LSWC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Sweeney Posted May 27, 2003 Share Posted May 27, 2003 Paraman, With some bullets, you can go with published data and be certain of results. The 200 gr L-SWC is a case in point. You can be sure if you load it to the correct length (which is easy to determine) and use 5.8 of WW-231 (or other data) you will be "in like flynn." However, the 200 gr roundnose isn't such a bullet. Minor differences in oal will make big differences in velocity. And you may not have a choice of oal, your pistol may tell you what it will accept. You simply must get, or get access to, a choronograph for testing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane Thomas Posted May 28, 2003 Share Posted May 28, 2003 I am using the West Coast 200gr. RN bullet with federal lg. pistol primers. Why the RN instead of the LSWC in that bullet weight, just out of curiosity? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paraman1 Posted May 29, 2003 Author Share Posted May 29, 2003 I have been toying with the 200 LSWC but they do not seem to feed reliably and when I shoot facing into the sun the cloud of smoke starts to obscure my targets (thats my excuse and I am sticking to it) as well as the filth shooting lead leaves behind in my pistol . I tried the Laser-cast 200 grn. RN and like them a lot but would rather shoot a jacketed bullet . I was using Clays with the lead but the loads guys are using to make major with makes me a little nervous . I have TG left over from when I shot a .40 in limited so I thought I would use it and see how it goes . I can chrono it when I go to a match by having someone bring there chrono but dont want to get there and have to shoot 5 different loads to find out which makes major . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Bone Posted May 29, 2003 Share Posted May 29, 2003 True... you need to chrono your own equipment. There are too many variables (gun, barrel, OAL, temp, etc). But just to throw some numbers around I use 4.4 TG under a 200gr D&J LEAD bullet OR 4.8 TG under a Montana Gold Jacketed bullet. I've chrono'ed them with my STI single stack, Springfield and Kimber. All made major with a little cushion (170PF). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDean Posted May 29, 2003 Share Posted May 29, 2003 The latest pound of TG I've procured needed a charge of 5.0gr under a 200gr MG bullet to produce 169PF. It's a dirty load. LOts of brown residue around the muzzle. A magnum or rifle primer might cure that though.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane Thomas Posted May 30, 2003 Share Posted May 30, 2003 Wow. Far away from my experience. Weird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDean Posted May 30, 2003 Share Posted May 30, 2003 Which part Duane, the velocity/charge weight, or the dirtiness. I'd expect your lead Laser-Casts to go faster per grain.....but your saying it's relatively clean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane Thomas Posted June 2, 2003 Share Posted June 2, 2003 I was thinking both, but wasn't factoring in the fact you're shooting plated bullets which should be a bit slower. Yeah, TG's been really clean for me. I once put almost 5,000 rounds through the gun without cleaning, just to see if I could. The gun was still smooth when I finally broke down and cleaned the thing. Of course, I think the Slide-Glide helped in that regard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paraman1 Posted June 30, 2003 Author Share Posted June 30, 2003 Been a while since the last post but I finally got around to shooting the loads I put together . 5.0gr. of TG with a 200 gr. west coast RN plated bullet . The load shoots nice but it is fiiiillllthy . I wound up wearing a layer of black ash after shooting 160 rounds in a fun match . My pistol is caked with crud around the barrel hood and ejection port as well as my mags being filled with this junk . The guys picking up brass said my brass was extremely hot (Like .38 stupor hot) and it was still hot when they gave it to me to put in my brass bag . I also noticed my pistol was quite warm to the touch . Is this normal ?? There were no signs of pressure on the primers and the brass was black down one side like the pressure was building slowly and leaking around the side of the case like a low pressure load would do . Any guesses ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Posted June 30, 2003 Share Posted June 30, 2003 PARAMAN: My experience exactly; dirty & that is why I dropped it. Duane has had better luck as far as cleanliness & I agree w. Duane that the mark on one side of the case is nothing to worry about if you choose to shoot Titegroup in .45. On the plus side, it is amazing to me that one uses such a small amount of titegroup in .45 and yet it is accurate & consistent - it really is very insensitive to position in the case. As for a cleaner powder, I stuck w. Clays under 200 westcoast SWCs or RNs (the latter loaded to 1.260" OAL) over 4.5 to 4.6 grns for about 169PF - NOTE: double check this load w/ the Hodgdon manual and NEVER excede the listed Max as published in the load book. Always start at least 10% below the recommneded charge and work up carefully checking for any sign of pressure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBQ Posted September 2, 2003 Share Posted September 2, 2003 Hi Parama 1, I am using exectly your setup, 200grn west coast RN CMJ, Titegroup Powder, Winchester Case, CCI 300/ Winchester Primer. The pistols that I and my wife used are Valtro 1998A1(two of them). I used 5.12 grn titegroup and it gives me 844fts ave. in my own and 847fts ave. in my wife's valtro and it varies +/- 8fts.. Overall length is between 1.270 to 1.275( my magazines allow me to load at max. overall lenght). To measure that precision of .12grn. of powder. I measure 10 measure drop all together(51.2grn). And make sure I get three consistance 51.2grn before I start loading. This method was learned in Physics class. *This only my own loaded and posed as a reference. Always work up your own load and be responsable on your own reloading.* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BamBam Posted September 3, 2003 Share Posted September 3, 2003 I tried titegroup and found 5.1 grains under a 200 grain west coast FLM-RN gave me 166.7 PF out of my 5" STI .45. OAL was 1.250" and I was using federal large pistol primers. All without getting better than a "B" in physics class!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BamBam Posted September 3, 2003 Share Posted September 3, 2003 If it helps any, I also came up with the following for making around 165 power factor (give or take) when using a 200 grain west coast bullet and the same parameters: 5.9gr W231 9.3 Blue Dot 5.1 WST 4.5 Clays Like Clays the best, and maybe WST second best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glock9 Posted October 2, 2003 Share Posted October 2, 2003 I load 4.7gr of Titegroup under a Precision Bullets 200gr SWC. Chronos at 860fps for a 172 pf out of a 5" barrel. I like the precision moly coated bullets, very little leading, feeds well and are a good value Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Larry Cazes Posted October 2, 2003 Share Posted October 2, 2003 Paraman.....I too found TG to be very dirty with lots of flash for .45acp. I went to clays for 230gr RNs and WST for 200 gr RNs and have never looked back. As I finish my last few pounds of clays, I will switch to WST and use it for both weights. After a few years of experiementing I have found WST to be the best overall powder for .45 Give it a try you just might agree. Larry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirveyr Posted January 11, 2011 Share Posted January 11, 2011 I thought I would add some data to help the next person that searches: 230 Tite Group .45 ACP 230 BBI 4.3 Tite Group 1.250" 166 PF (725fps) .45ACP 230 BBI 4.3 Tite Group 1.225" 173 PF (755fps) .45ACP 230 BBI 4.3 Tite Group 1.200" 179 PF (782fps) 5" 1911 @ 23F Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corey Posted January 11, 2011 Share Posted January 11, 2011 in colder weather (~45-50 degrees) i was getting right at 850 FPS (170PF) with a 200gr Precision SWC. as it got warmer, ~85-90 degrees, it bumped up to ~173PF. Im currently at 4.8 gr of titegroup right now with the 200gr bullet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kalaur Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 I've been running 4.6gr of titegroup behind a Montana Gold 230gr FMJ at 1.231 OAL. IIRC it was around 175 PF out of a 5" 1911 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlosa Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 45 acp 200gr SWC bear creek 5.3 grain of titegroup Caol 1.140 Av vel 855 45 acp 230gr LRN bear creek 4.4 grains of titegroup Caol 1.150 Av vel 740 This are out of a 5 inch barrel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BallisticianX Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 I shoot 4.9gr of Titegroup behind a 200gr. Bayou Bullets coated LSWC. I'm loading at 1.255-1.260" overall length with a .469" crimp Out of my STI Spartan 1911 I get aprox 865fps in warmer weather and 850 fps in colder weather. In warmer weather major PF is acheiveable with only 4.8gr. I add the extra tenth of a grain to give me confidence I will pass the chrony at anytime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RePete Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 in colder weather (~45-50 degrees) i was getting right at 850 FPS (170PF) with a 200gr Precision SWC. as it got warmer, ~85-90 degrees, it bumped up to ~173PF. Im currently at 4.8 gr of titegroup right now with the 200gr bullet. Is that with a lead or jacketed bullet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corey Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 in colder weather (~45-50 degrees) i was getting right at 850 FPS (170PF) with a 200gr Precision SWC. as it got warmer, ~85-90 degrees, it bumped up to ~173PF. Im currently at 4.8 gr of titegroup right now with the 200gr bullet. Is that with a lead or jacketed bullet? That is with the Precision coated lead bullets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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