outerlimits Posted March 25, 2009 Author Share Posted March 25, 2009 time to revive this thread. season opener down under in 3 days. lots of changes, not the least are the stunningly ugly cars. well, at least slicks are back. also, will be interesting to see the new KERS system and how it might work. can't wait to see the first corner worker touch a car after an off. lots of volts! go prancing horse! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gameplayer Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 After the silly off-season politics I'm looking forward to the racing. Anxious to see how BrawnGP does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Antichrome Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 Yay for slicks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramas Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 Looking forward for Kimi Raikonen, Brown GP, slick tyres and KERS. Must be an awesome season! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulm540 Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 Yes, hopefully an exciting season like last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Antichrome Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 Whew, the grid line-up is waaay different than last year. Jenson and Rubens on the front row????! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gameplayer Posted March 29, 2009 Share Posted March 29, 2009 That was totally unexpected. I thought their pace throughout testing was just a fluke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Gundry Posted March 29, 2009 Share Posted March 29, 2009 All I can say is WOW! Brawn GP This should be exciting... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gameplayer Posted March 29, 2009 Share Posted March 29, 2009 A crazy start to the F1 season. Congrats to BrawnGP for a 1-2 finish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tzygä Posted March 29, 2009 Share Posted March 29, 2009 Bad luck for kovalainen and Räikkönen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3GunF1Guy Posted April 3, 2009 Share Posted April 3, 2009 Why oh why does a smart guy like Lewis stay with Mclaren. Nothing like getting last place for lying. Wow great for Brawn GP. Hope they can do it this week in sepang. Scott Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outerlimits Posted April 3, 2009 Author Share Posted April 3, 2009 Why oh why does a smart guy like Lewis stay with Mclaren. Nothing like getting last place for lying. Scott don't think he's that sharp-basically controlled by his dad. he'll never drive for the prancing horse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gameplayer Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 Why oh why does a smart guy like Lewis stay with Mclaren. Nothing like getting last place for lying. Scott Not the first and certainly won't be the last. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gameplayer Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 Looks like BrawnGP is for real. Malaysia Qualifying: Times 01 J. Button Brawn GP 1:35.181 02 J. Trulli Toyota 1:35.273 03 S. Vettel Red Bull 1:35.518 04 R. Barrichello Brawn GP 1:35.651 05 T. Glock Toyota 1:35.690 06 N. Rosberg Williams 1:35.750 07 M. Webber Red Bull 1:35.797 08 R. Kubica BMW 1:36.106 09 K. Räikkönen Ferrari 1:36.170 10 F. Alonso Renault 1:37.659 11 N. Heidfeld BMW 1:34.769 12 K. Nakajima Williams 1:34.788 13 L. Hamilton McLaren 1:34.905 14 H. Kovalainen McLaren 1:34.924 15 S. Bourdais Toro Rosso 1:35.431 16 F. Massa Ferrari 1:35.642 17 N. Piquet jr. Renault 1:35.708 18 G. Fisichella Force India 1:35.908 19 A. Sutil Force India 1:35.951 20 S. Buemi Toro Rosso 1:36.107 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMC Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 An McLaren didn't even make it to Q3, WOW. What amazes me is all the changes and the cars are faster than last year! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outerlimits Posted April 4, 2009 Author Share Posted April 4, 2009 and ugly! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tzygä Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 It don't look good for Ferrari and McLaren. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scirocco38s Posted April 5, 2009 Share Posted April 5, 2009 I love the fact that everyone over the last 2 years has oohed and aahhed over Hamilton as well as Alonso when he was with Renault ther first time. Oh how it is starting to show that maybe they arent as good as some feel they are. I would suggest that Hamilton is not as good as the media has said. Other than Mclaren, I bet he wont be able to get a drive. If he goes head to head in wequal cars there are plenty that can best him. Alonso proved it in 2007. When they have a car that is the class of the field then they can really shine, but let them have a medium to medium high car and then they start slipping. This last debacle at Mclaren should surprise no one as it has become their mode of operation. It is obvious to me at least that they will lie cheat and steal from whoever they can as long as they win. The whole espioange ordeal from 2007, the Alonso/de la Rosa using the data on the simulators to gain advantage and all the other subtrefuge that goes on with them is the norm. Hamilton lying, and then laying it off on the director/ I personally dont believe him. Team Mclaren has no honor or credibility in my eyes. I believe Sabastian Vettel and some of the other drivers who are hungry and talented are no going to rise to the top. Jensen Button and Barrichello may now become the leading contenders for the crown. I would dare say that the world championship wll look radically different than it has in recent years. I am not a Ferrari fan but I do like their drivers. I dont believe Ferrari is given any better breaks or preferential treatment than any other team. I do believe though that they do have some sway in the decisions of the FIA as F-1 would have died a long time ago if it were not for Ferrari. They stayed with the formula in the 80's when they couldnt win a race if their life depended on it. It all changed and they started winning again and they have become 1 of the dominate forces in the sport, They have helped increase viewership and track attendance all over the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman Posted April 5, 2009 Share Posted April 5, 2009 Looks like a very interesting season is unfolding. The atmosphere in Kuala Lumpur looks amazing. My favorite F1 track since Bernie destroyed all the great ones. Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulm540 Posted April 5, 2009 Share Posted April 5, 2009 I love the fact that everyone over the last 2 years has oohed and aahhed over Hamilton as well as Alonso when he was with Renault ther first time. Oh how it is starting to show that maybe they arent as good as some feel they are. I would suggest that Hamilton is not as good as the media has said. Other than Mclaren, I bet he wont be able to get a drive. If he goes head to head in wequal cars there are plenty that can best him. Alonso proved it in 2007. When they have a car that is the class of the field then they can really shine, but let them have a medium to medium high car and then they start slipping. This last debacle at Mclaren should surprise no one as it has become their mode of operation. It is obvious to me at least that they will lie cheat and steal from whoever they can as long as they win. The whole espioange ordeal from 2007, the Alonso/de la Rosa using the data on the simulators to gain advantage and all the other subtrefuge that goes on with them is the norm. Hamilton lying, and then laying it off on the director/ I personally dont believe him. Team Mclaren has no honor or credibility in my eyes. I believe Sabastian Vettel and some of the other drivers who are hungry and talented are no going to rise to the top. Jensen Button and Barrichello may now become the leading contenders for the crown. I would dare say that the world championship wll look radically different than it has in recent years. I am not a Ferrari fan but I do like their drivers. I dont believe Ferrari is given any better breaks or preferential treatment than any other team. I do believe though that they do have some sway in the decisions of the FIA as F-1 would have died a long time ago if it were not for Ferrari. They stayed with the formula in the 80's when they couldnt win a race if their life depended on it. It all changed and they started winning again and they have become 1 of the dominate forces in the sport, They have helped increase viewership and track attendance all over the world. Remember when Schumi moved to Ferrari. His first year was dismal. Does that mean that he was just a mediocre to decent driver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outerlimits Posted April 5, 2009 Author Share Posted April 5, 2009 I love the fact that everyone over the last 2 years has oohed and aahhed over Hamilton as well as Alonso when he was with Renault ther first time. Oh how it is starting to show that maybe they arent as good as some feel they are. I would suggest that Hamilton is not as good as the media has said. Other than Mclaren, I bet he wont be able to get a drive. If he goes head to head in wequal cars there are plenty that can best him. Alonso proved it in 2007. When they have a car that is the class of the field then they can really shine, but let them have a medium to medium high car and then they start slipping. This last debacle at Mclaren should surprise no one as it has become their mode of operation. It is obvious to me at least that they will lie cheat and steal from whoever they can as long as they win. The whole espioange ordeal from 2007, the Alonso/de la Rosa using the data on the simulators to gain advantage and all the other subtrefuge that goes on with them is the norm. Hamilton lying, and then laying it off on the director/ I personally dont believe him. Team Mclaren has no honor or credibility in my eyes. I believe Sabastian Vettel and some of the other drivers who are hungry and talented are no going to rise to the top. Jensen Button and Barrichello may now become the leading contenders for the crown. I would dare say that the world championship wll look radically different than it has in recent years. I am not a Ferrari fan but I do like their drivers. I dont believe Ferrari is given any better breaks or preferential treatment than any other team. I do believe though that they do have some sway in the decisions of the FIA as F-1 would have died a long time ago if it were not for Ferrari. They stayed with the formula in the 80's when they couldnt win a race if their life depended on it. It all changed and they started winning again and they have become 1 of the dominate forces in the sport, They have helped increase viewership and track attendance all over the world. Remember when Schumi moved to Ferrari. His first year was dismal. Does that mean that he was just a mediocre to decent driver. schumacher was a beast-he was winning with a benneton. once he got to ferrari, the records books were written. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulm540 Posted April 5, 2009 Share Posted April 5, 2009 The engineer behind most of his wins was Ross Brawn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted April 5, 2009 Share Posted April 5, 2009 HuskySIG,Its funny, I was thinking exactly the opposite. I wish F1 was more like NASCAR. Who is going to win an F1 Race? The guy leading the first lap. Why, because the passing in F1 is very very limited. The NASCAR race on Sunday had 31 lead changes, much less the hundreds of passes that happened within the field. I love the technology and strategy that goes into F1, I just wished there was more actual racing going on. But the few passes that F1 has are often very dramatic and fun to watch. I agree with you here. I have flicked through channels and caught glimpses of a race and an hour later it looks like I rewound a tape or something. I love the acceleration and speeds but other than that it can be pretty boring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scirocco38s Posted April 5, 2009 Share Posted April 5, 2009 Schumacher was able to surrond himself with a team that built a car exactly to his liking and style of driving. Yes his first year was bad and that is part of what I am trying to convey. He was and is a great driver but the car was mediocre at best. Even Alain Prost had trouble. Schumacher came on and developed not only the car but the team. Schumacher had taken a car before he went to Ferrai (Bennetton)and beat a team and drivers that were believed to be his better. The Same when he drove for Jordan, he took a car that was not the class of the field and made it perform. I dont believe Hamilton or Alonso can do that. I almost believed Alonso could last year when he started getting the Renault competitive. I do believe Vettel has the drive and ability especially after his win last year in Monza in the wet. The rain took all the advantages that Mclaren and Ferrarti had and equalized them out. Vettel drove the wheeels off that car and the racing he did was beautiful, lots of control and reminded me of Schumacher in the rain. In all I believe that the days of several great drivers in F1 are over, you may have 1 or 2 at the same time but seldom more than that. On the other hand, the team who comes up with the best package can make good drivers who have been backmarkers the last 2 years suddenly shine and the stars of the series, who's teams have missed the mark are now relegated to being backmarkers themselves. I have followed F1 extensively since 1970, so I can remember when you had several great drivers all out there racing for the flag at once and sometimes the races were won by less than 2 seconds for the first 6 cars. Those days are long gone. Also gone are the great tracks as they have all been neuterred into a cookie cutter variation of the same track. Spa is still a good track, but only 1 or 2 drivers could get the car to make it flat oout thru Eau Rouge. Monza has all those chicanes to slow the cars, and they dont even use the high bank section anymore, It all very depressing to look at what they did to the great tracks. And as another poster mentioned, Bernie has also ruined the series, and Max has not performed any favors for it either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outerlimits Posted April 5, 2009 Author Share Posted April 5, 2009 Schumacher was able to surrond himself with a team that built a car exactly to his liking and style of driving. Yes his first year was bad and that is part of what I am trying to convey. He was and is a great driver but the car was mediocre at best. Even Alain Prost had trouble. Schumacher came on and developed not only the car but the team. Schumacher had taken a car before he went to Ferrai (Bennetton)and beat a team and drivers that were believed to be his better. The Same when he drove for Jordan, he took a car that was not the class of the field and made it perform. I dont believe Hamilton or Alonso can do that. I almost believed Alonso could last year when he started getting the Renault competitive. I do believe Vettel has the drive and ability especially after his win last year in Monza in the wet. The rain took all the advantages that Mclaren and Ferrarti had and equalized them out. Vettel drove the wheeels off that car and the racing he did was beautiful, lots of control and reminded me of Schumacher in the rain.In all I believe that the days of several great drivers in F1 are over, you may have 1 or 2 at the same time but seldom more than that. On the other hand, the team who comes up with the best package can make good drivers who have been backmarkers the last 2 years suddenly shine and the stars of the series, who's teams have missed the mark are now relegated to being backmarkers themselves. I have followed F1 extensively since 1970, so I can remember when you had several great drivers all out there racing for the flag at once and sometimes the races were won by less than 2 seconds for the first 6 cars. Those days are long gone. Also gone are the great tracks as they have all been neuterred into a cookie cutter variation of the same track. Spa is still a good track, but only 1 or 2 drivers could get the car to make it flat oout thru Eau Rouge. Monza has all those chicanes to slow the cars, and they dont even use the high bank section anymore, It all very depressing to look at what they did to the great tracks. And as another poster mentioned, Bernie has also ruined the series, and Max has not performed any favors for it either. agree the pity is the tracks being neutered. still can enjoy spa with eau rouge and blanchimont-monza with it's speed. miss the hockenheim ring-that was flat out speed. lemans on fathers day is still worth the day sitting in the lazy boy with a bucket of beer. after that, well, time to shoot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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