Jody Waring Posted January 14, 2003 Share Posted January 14, 2003 Matt, I am loading all of my ammo to an oal from 1.155"-1.160" I have been playing with the HS7, and with the 115gr. WW fmj I am using 10.0gr and getting a 170 power factor and 8.8gr for the HS6 for a 169pf. I don't think you'll have much trouble loading to your desired length. The HS7 loads shoot very flat, but with my comp, I am getting tracking side to side, whereas with the HS6 it is a straight back recoil with slight flip, at 15m, my follow up shots are faster with the HS6 loads. I use WWsmall rifle primers. My comp is a four chamber with four side ports raked rearwards. I am "cooking" all my ports, HS6 is the most efficient for my set-up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattBurkett Posted January 14, 2003 Author Share Posted January 14, 2003 Thanks for the help guys, keep it coming! Yesterday I tried 10 of HS7 at 1.130 oal = 160pf. This is in the 6 port hybrid IMM design with a standard 9mm chamber so I am bleeding off a lot of gas first. Going for the HS6 today. :-) BTW 6.2 of Unique under a 115 makes for a really cool steel load. In my gun, it makes a 122. Waiting for the new chamber cuts and only probably going to run 3 ports on the barrel out towards the comp. BTW as a disclaimer anyone trying to do this is probably nutz (like me!) so, umm, don't. :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jody Waring Posted January 14, 2003 Share Posted January 14, 2003 Matt, I believe that you will have good luck with the HS6. Getting the needed amount of the HS7 is hard in such a small case. I am not using a hybrid, but may drill the barrell and up my load where I still have lots of room. I don't seem to have any major pressure signs with the HS6 either. For the small capacity case, I haven't had better luck with anything other than the HS6. You may get the HS7 to work with a 124gr.Good luck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulW Posted January 15, 2003 Share Posted January 15, 2003 Was thinking of trying the HS7 with a 124, 125 gr bullet. Pretty much have given up on the idea of 115's. Shot some 115's using N340 and well, umm, sorta like blew the primers out. Still like the N350 best, would love to try some 3N38. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattBurkett Posted January 15, 2003 Author Share Posted January 15, 2003 HS7 isn't the trick with the hybrid and 115's. At the short length I was having to load them because of the ogive on the Montana Gold bullets (1.125) they were having pressure issues. HS6 with 9.2 1.125 oal MTgold 115's WSP = 1505 fps IMM BurkettOpen :-) Still a bit too much kick though. HS6 with 8.4 1.170 oal Win 124's WSP = ? Imm BurkettOpen not sure on the the velocity. Will be chronoing today. The gun shot incredibly well last night at the steel match until issues on the last stage. http://members.cox.net/rio-practical/text/tue_nite.txt Will have more info later today. Take care, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singlestack Posted January 15, 2003 Share Posted January 15, 2003 HOLY SMOKES!! I never saw so many masters on a local match!!! On a week night even! Whata Match! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhgtyre Posted January 15, 2003 Share Posted January 15, 2003 That match is like that every week. It is very humbling to say the least. -ld Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Posted January 15, 2003 Share Posted January 15, 2003 Paul wrote: "Still like the N350 best, would love to try some 3N38" If you want low pressure, heading in the direction of 3N38 is the way to go. I read that 3N38 falls between N-350 and N-105 as far as burning rate. I have used BOTH of these powders in 9x23 and frankly, the N-105 loads generate such low pressures that there are NO discernable pressure signs on the small Remington rifle primers I use. It looked like the primer from a dud round - just an impression from the pin and a nice round edged primer. This was not the case w/ major N350 loads where there was some flatening of the primer. If 3N38 is indeed between N-350 and N-105, it may be the answer to your problems. HOWEVER, the N105 loads I use are severly compressed in the larger 9Supercomp cases I use; not sure if you will be able to fit enough powder into the 9x19 to get to 165PF even if pressures are acceptable. What about hte use of jacketed hollow base bullets? Sure, it'll lead up the comp more than a JHP, but it might get this project off the ground w. the 115 grn bullets we want to use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkgsmith Posted January 16, 2003 Share Posted January 16, 2003 FYI, Loaded 8.7 gr. of HS6, with a 115 Montana Gold Rn at 1.175 OAL. Chrono was 1485 on a new Nowlin Brl. Accuracy was good (5 shots into .754 in. at 25 yds). This is not a compressed load and doesn't spill all over the press. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulW Posted January 16, 2003 Share Posted January 16, 2003 HS6 must be very fine powder to get 8.7 grs is a case. Sounds interesting though. I'll have to try some. How did the primers look? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattBurkett Posted January 16, 2003 Author Share Posted January 16, 2003 How the primers look depends on the brass. Sometimes the crappy brass is self-decapping. hehe Anyway in the 6 port yesterday, 8.4 was a 162 pf with the 124's trying 8.6. BTW the powder is extremely dense. 1 pound of it doesn't fill the powder measure to the top. There is still and inch or two of air! We will see what happens in class today! :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IPSC CHIK1 Posted January 16, 2003 Share Posted January 16, 2003 Matt, try Vic Pickett for SP2. he is a distributor for adco and they were importing it. THAT MATCH, sounds like Rio Salado Tuesday Night Steel. God i am SO looking forward to getting back to shooting!!! DVC SharonAnne L2387 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulW Posted January 16, 2003 Share Posted January 16, 2003 Matt, Auto decapping.....I like that. I had the same experince when I tried some N340, not good. Keep us up to date as what you find. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjanglin Posted January 17, 2003 Share Posted January 17, 2003 Shucks: Wish i could contribute but its about -20 below wind chill and have 7 inches of snow- I dont like to play and be miserable to: Have any of ya tried Tightgroup with 9mm yet-Like I said before Ive tried HS-7 with similar results as you all N-340 Kinda scared me 3n38 at 9.2 makes major easy but its kinda full up Rick Hebert at BP Tech uses sp-2 with 115's.Ill do more soon as I gets alittle warmer.And I get the barrel from Wil Scheumann. Jim Anglin Sailors Custom Pistols 4760 n 17th st. Omaha Ne 68110 402 451 0797 jjanglin@msn.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chriss Grube Posted January 17, 2003 Share Posted January 17, 2003 I think titegroup is going to be way too fast. You'll probably run into pressure problems long before you make major. Anything faster than n340 range will be pushing the edge way too close and you won't have optimum gas volume to work the comp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjanglin Posted January 18, 2003 Share Posted January 18, 2003 Im gonna see if ya do the math it looks good and doesnt come near sammi max pressure. Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattBurkett Posted January 20, 2003 Author Share Posted January 20, 2003 Well its starting to look like HS6 with a 115. Interestingly enough, it doesn't have any issues feeding or extracting. A full 29 rounder feels like it has 5 rounds in it feeding off the top round! Ejection is another issue. What a pain in the ass to get it to work. Will be working with it more this week and see if I can get it nailed down. Will post what I did to get it to work consistently. :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jody Waring Posted January 20, 2003 Share Posted January 20, 2003 Matt, how much powder did you end up using? Also, what are you using for primers? I am considering a 9x19 top end, just for the sake of cost of brass. I'm assuming the ports in your barrell are using up alot of the powder, and how are you making out for accuracy? My 9x21 major loads print decent groups at 20-25m. Good luck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulW Posted January 20, 2003 Share Posted January 20, 2003 I'm with Matt, HS6 seems to be the ticket. I shot them side-by-side with some N350 loads, night and day difference. The HS6 is soo much softer, and I can shoot 115's with no problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattBurkett Posted January 20, 2003 Author Share Posted January 20, 2003 9.0 of HS-6. NOW THAT WILL PROBABLY be too much for anyone elses gun. That is with the IMM 6 port Hybrid. Be careful and if you blow yourself up, too damn bad. Yur stupd. The load prints well, no issues at all with brass pressure, slight primer flow but still haven't had any clickers. :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkgsmith Posted January 20, 2003 Share Posted January 20, 2003 Matt, use a full length EGW ejector. Ever so slightly break the edges on the bottom and ejector port side. You should end up with a square nose with a slight bevel on those two corners. You should get a straight out the side ejection. Hope this helps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Merricks Posted January 24, 2003 Share Posted January 24, 2003 Matt or Paul, Looks like HS6 and N330 has about the same burn rate, is HS6 a denser powder? Well I guess it depends on which chart you look at http://www.vihtavuori.fi/ shows that there close but here http://www.hodgdon.com/ it shows that it is closer to 3n37. Which is it? (Edited by Jon Merricks at 2:02 pm on Jan. 24, 2003) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulW Posted January 24, 2003 Share Posted January 24, 2003 Jon, Not sure as I have never used N330. I can tell you the 9 grs of HS6 only takes up about 2/3 of a 9x19 case. Much denser that N350 which was almost spilling out at 8.2 grs under a 125 gr. bullet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Merricks Posted January 24, 2003 Share Posted January 24, 2003 Thanks Paul. I found a couple of other charts that said about the same as the Hodgdon's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryucasta Posted February 16, 2003 Share Posted February 16, 2003 Matt, I have worked up a load that so far is generating an average velocity of 1314 FPS (164 PF) out of a 5 inch Briley barrel and Comp (G17 Open) with Montana Gold’s 357 SIG bullets (125 Grain) with a COAL of 1.145. The powder that I'm using is Hodgdon's Longshot. (Edited by ryucasta at 9:44 am on Feb. 16, 2003) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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