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In Peter Kasler's book "Glock: The New Wave In Combat Handguns" published in 1992 it mentions and shows a picture of the original STEEL un-captured guide rod. Once I find my copy of the book I will scan the relevant page for your perusal. BTW, I actually do own a first generation G17 (Never Modified) that was purchased NIB back in 87 (Kept at one of my homes in Florida) that has the OEM un-captured steel guide rod. As to the captured guide rod design that became standard in 1991. Please refer to the attached PDF file time line for additional details. (Scanned from PTOOMA Productions THE COMPLETE GLOCK REFERENCE GUIDE) Glock_Stuff006.pdf

If memory serves me correctly first generation Glock guide rods were made of Steel.

Have you considered a G20 with a 40 S&W barrel for Limited?

Flex, The issue that I have run into with the G20 and Double Stack 1911's (Para P16, SV and STI) that are using SAAMI SPEC 40 S&W cartridges has been with the magazines. The cartridges tend to mess up within the magazine. Have you not experienced that problem? It has been my experience that when I use 40 S&W long loaded cartridges the aforementioned problem does not manifest itself.

Just curious what COAL are you using? I'm using a G20 configured with a 40-10mm KKM barrel with 40 S&W Long Loaded (+1.190 OAL) cartridges and I have yet to experience any failures.

Proraptor, I'm glad that you have found them to work for you and may they continue to do so over time... BTW, I find that part of your response regarding the final disposition of my two GlockWorx triggers to be rather interesting since I havent stated what I have done with them and only a GlockWorx insider would have known that they were never returned for refund/repair... Proraptor States: "I think glockworx handled your situation very well but it doesnt seem you came through and sent the triggers back...Too bad because I wouldnt trade my glockworx trigger for anything"

I'm glad that GlockWorx has been able to improve their product since the time when I purchased the two that I own. I found those triggers to be UNSAFE and posted my warnings on GlockTalk. Enough said. http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=737981

The Arredondo +3 and 0 Base Pads for a G17 sized frame will fit in the IDPA Box. I use them for ESP with the JP Enterprise magwell on my G22 and G17. On a side note if you are using the JP magazine well you really dont need the base pads,

When it comes to Competition Glock Parts the dealer that’s most knowledgeable is Matt at Custom Glock. For the widest selection of Glock factory and after market parts it’s a toss up between Lone Wolf and Brownells. Regarding the posters comments about OX Cart shipping its been my experience that you can have items shipped by the aforementioned retailers using a faster means than an Ox Cart (I.e. UPS Ground, USPS First Class) the only caveat is that you have to pay more for the additional service.

I would agree with the comments about the G20. I have found mine to be a much softer shooter than my S_I guns.

If memory serves me correctly you will need to use the Wolff springs with the NHO Guide Rod since it is thicker than the factory/ISMI springs.

I own both and I recommend Vanek. Here is the link to my post on GlockTalk regarding the GlockWorx triggers. http://www.glocktalk.com/showthread.php?threadid=737981

The rule is 2.27 kg or 5 lbs... http://www.ipsc.org/ Production Division 1 Minimum power factor for Major Not applicable 2 Minimum power factor for Minor 125 3 Minimum bullet weight No 4 Minimum bullet caliber / cartridge case length 9mm (0.354”) / 19mm (0.748") 5 Minimum bullet caliber for Major Not applicable 6 Minimum trigger pull (see Appendix F2) 2.27 kg (5lbs) for first shot 7 Maximum handgun size Maximum barrel length 127mm (5”) 8 Maximum magazine length Yes, see below. 9 Maximum ammunition capacity No 10 Max. distance of handgun and mags/speed loaders from torso 50mm 11 Rule 5.2.3.1 applies Yes 12 Restriction on position of holster and other equipment Yes, see below. 13 Optical/electronic sights permitted No 14 Compensators permitted No 15 Ports permitted No Only handguns approved and listed on the IPSC website may be used in Production Division. Single-action-only handguns are prohibited. Handguns with external hammers must be fully decocked. First shot attempted must be double action. Competitors in this Division who, after the issuance of the start signal and prior to attempting the first shot, cock the hammer on a handgun which has a loaded chamber, will incur one procedural penalty per occurrence. Note that a procedural penalty will not be assessed in respect of courses of fire where the ready condition requires the competitor to prepare the handgun with an empty chamber. In these cases, the competitor may fire the first shot single action. Neither the handgun, nor any of its attachments, nor any allied equipment (e.g. magazines or other loading devices), can extend forward of the line illustrated in Appendix F3. Any such items a Range Officer deems not to be in compliance must be safely and promptly adjusted, failing which Rule 6.2.5.1 will apply. Original parts and components offered by the OFM as standard equipment, or as an option, for a specific model handgun on the IPSC approved handgun list are permitted, subject to the following: Modifications to them, other than minor detailing, are prohibited. Prohibited modifications include changing the original color and/or finish of a handgun, and/or adding stripes or other embellishments. Base plates and/or any other devices which provide additional ammunition capacity (e.g. "+2" magazine extensions), are prohibited. Sights may be trimmed, adjusted and/or have sight black applied. Aftermarket parts, components and accessories are prohibited, except as follows: Aftermarket magazines which match the external dimensions of standard magazines offered by the OFM for the approved handgun are permitted. Aftermarket sights of the same type and kind offered by the OFM for the approved handgun are permitted, provided their installation and/or adjustment requires no alteration to the handgun. Aftermarket grips which match the profile of the OFM standard for the approved handgun and/or the application of tape on grips is permitted, however, rubber sleeves are prohibited. A competitor who fails to comply with any of the requirements above will be subject to Rule 6.2.5.1

I currently own Briley, KKM and Bar-Sto barrels for Glock. To date I have had the best results with KKM. The Bar-Sto (G34 9x19) worked well with Minor PF loads I simply couldn’t trust it with Major PF Loads way too many case failures even though I was using new brass. I have never experienced that problem with the KKM or Briley. On a side note I have just ordered a Lone Wolf barrel for my oldest sons G17 after we put a few thousand rounds through it I will post a our results.

I have several large frame Glock (I.e. G20/21) magazine wells from Glockmiester, California Competiton Works and NHO. I prefer the NHO Aluminum for IDPA (G21) and I use the Stainless for USPSA (G20).