Putty Posted March 1, 2008 Share Posted March 1, 2008 Is this legal for SS division what with the tac-rail? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Stevens Posted March 1, 2008 Share Posted March 1, 2008 Tac-Rail? Is that a light rail? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wakal Posted March 1, 2008 Share Posted March 1, 2008 Yes, that is the one with the tacticool rail thing on the dustcover A Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Stevens Posted March 1, 2008 Share Posted March 1, 2008 I would guess then that Appendix D5 would answer all questions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putty Posted March 2, 2008 Author Share Posted March 2, 2008 (edited) Edited March 2, 2008 by Sandoz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JakeMartens Posted March 2, 2008 Share Posted March 2, 2008 yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Religious Shooter Posted March 2, 2008 Share Posted March 2, 2008 You might want to proceed with caution in terms of parts selection. Take a look at the thread on the Western States SS. I believe a shooter who used the Capian frame was over weight and was bumped into... nowhere (no Open class) and shot the match for giggles with no score. http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?...st&p=687385 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoMiE Posted March 2, 2008 Share Posted March 2, 2008 Yes, but keep in mind the weight requirements when picking components. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wakal Posted March 2, 2008 Share Posted March 2, 2008 What our friend Gary is trying to say is that D5.23 states "Permitted Features-Factory installed light rail attachments if the dust cover is no longer than 3.25 inches measured from the rear of the slide stop pin to the front of the dust cover." And, of course, the gun is 43 ounces or less with an empty magazine, as per D5.18 Darn .PDF format making me type... Alex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhgtyre Posted March 2, 2008 Share Posted March 2, 2008 Yeah. The evil gamer gun is back from the gunsmith. He milled out the frame under the grips so that the openings on either side are similar to "standard" 1911 frames. He did warn me BEFORE I purchased the frame that the Race Ready magwell was a pain in the ass. Sometimes I don't listen very well. I also had to have the magewell opened up a LOT. If I had to do it all over again I think I would have bought the STI Duty Frame. It has nicer checkering on the front strap and is already cut for the .250 beavertail. I really like my Race Ready frame and the gun I had built with it does kick ass but it wasn't quite "race ready" when I got it. -ld Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wakal Posted March 2, 2008 Share Posted March 2, 2008 (edited) Passive agressive? Only to the keyboard because I couldn't cut and paste Oddly enough, I have one of these out in the shop right now. The slide machined and fitted, and now I'm waiting on my next shipment of barrels so I can finish it off. Luckily I have a postal scale so I can make sure that I follow the directives of D5.18 and have it under 43 ounces with an (un)loaded magazine. I like shooting open, but not with a skinny gun Alex Edited March 2, 2008 by Wakal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Stevens Posted March 2, 2008 Share Posted March 2, 2008 It will be easier with an "unloaded" magazine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Cheely Posted March 2, 2008 Share Posted March 2, 2008 IMHO the race ready magwell is much smaller and harder to use than even a S&A Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putty Posted March 2, 2008 Author Share Posted March 2, 2008 Sounds like the race ready could have issues trying to adjust the frame to the SS sideboards? Reason I ask is I am getting ready to have the gun built and may have to go another direction entirely. Anyone see any problems with just the recon frame without the coupled magwell? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted March 2, 2008 Share Posted March 2, 2008 Note: I merged these threads to keep the forum neat and tidy. Could somebody catch me up? I not sure what all we are talking about here, and I'd like to learn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted March 2, 2008 Share Posted March 2, 2008 I borrowed this pic from Caspians website. I think this is the frame we are talking about (I assume a carbon steel gun, but don't know that this pic is a steel frame or not): possible issues? 1. The length of the light rail with regards to the SSD rules ? 2. The weight of the gun? 3. The actual utility of the built in magwell, when compared to others...like the S&A ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Cheely Posted March 2, 2008 Share Posted March 2, 2008 That's it. 1. I believe the light rail is within spec. 2. It adds weight to a gun that is already going to be close to the max weight. Costs $$ to get that fixed. 3. I prefer a S&A magwell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted March 2, 2008 Share Posted March 2, 2008 It will be easier with an "unloaded" magazine Unloaded? Is that a gamey hint that an "unloaded" magazine could mean would could use the a mag to lose some of that weight? Any old mag? No spring...no folllower...no base pad...holes drilled ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Cheely Posted March 2, 2008 Share Posted March 2, 2008 It will be easier with an "unloaded" magazine Unloaded? Is that a gamey hint that an "unloaded" magazine could mean would could use the a mag to lose some of that weight? Any old mag? No spring...no folllower...no base pad...holes drilled ??? Oooooh. Gamer, I like it. I'm thinking some kinda aluminum mag that would bust open if loaded. Spring stretched out and cut up so that it wouldn't even push up a round. Tiny plastic follower. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putty Posted March 2, 2008 Author Share Posted March 2, 2008 Thanks to my vague post initially.....DOH! Reason is I dont know enough to ask the right kind of questions. Sounds like the magwell is a weight issue as well. I thought the light rail might not meet the SSD ruling but this has been cleared up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted March 2, 2008 Share Posted March 2, 2008 That's it. 1. I believe the light rail is within spec. 2. It adds weight to a gun that is already going to be close to the max weight. Costs $$ to get that fixed. 3. I prefer a S&A magwell. Thanks Matt. My single-stack is a Caspian carbon steel frame and slide. No real cuts other than that to install the Bomars. It wears an arched S&A mag well and a steel full length guide rod. From what I heard, that might be a bit close to weight...not over, but close. ?? The thinking here seems to be that the light rail on the [race ready framed] gun meets the length rule, but the other stuff might put it over the weight rule ? Good to know. (I think I need to dig up the thread I recall on postal scales...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted March 2, 2008 Share Posted March 2, 2008 It will be easier with an "unloaded" magazine Unloaded? Is that a gamey hint that an "unloaded" magazine could mean would could use the a mag to lose some of that weight? Any old mag? No spring...no folllower...no base pad...holes drilled ??? Oooooh. Gamer, I like it. I'm thinking some kinda aluminum mag that would bust open if loaded. Spring stretched out and cut up so that it wouldn't even push up a round. Tiny plastic follower. Chrono mag ? That is where they'd check. And, it might need to feed 3-4 rounds. (I load 4 when I run chrono, so the slide doesn't slam home on empty for guns with disabled slide stops.) Funny how I jumped right there (to gaming), huh? It's like Gary was speaking to me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIIID Posted March 2, 2008 Share Posted March 2, 2008 Flex, The picture is a Caspian Race Ready, from what I can remember that gun is SS legal.(I built it) Caspian makes alum. main spring housings, the frame under the grips can be opened up to loose weight. The magwell can be opened up a little but with a little welding it can be really opened up wide and deep. The dust cover can also be trimmed shorter if desired. Rich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted March 2, 2008 Share Posted March 2, 2008 Sounds like the race ready could have issues trying to adjust the frame to the SS sideboards? Reason I ask is I am getting ready to have the gun built and may have to go another direction entirely. Anyone see any problems with just the recon frame without the coupled magwell? Anders, It sounds like you are doing a double-duty gun here (light railed for home use)...or just trying to get the balance of the weight out front a bit? Either way, going with a railed gun seems to put the gun closer to the weight limit. And, some type of magwell is probably going to be desired? I know I'd want one. And, I just reviewed the rules... no slide lightening other than what has been traditional cuts, it seems. So, weight would need to come (mostly) out of the frame (like Larry did). Maybe a bit can be lost on the slide... Hmmm...lots of choices to be made. I'd make sure your gunsmith knows the plan and the rules...have him buy the postal scale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoMiE Posted March 2, 2008 Share Posted March 2, 2008 Tri-topping slide is legal right? How much weight does that save by having a tri-top slide? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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