whizz Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 Anyone seen moonclips made from titanium? Anyone tried to make them or heard of someone who did? Titanium oxidized by flame gets this cool rainbow pattern. I really think it would look pretty cool together with the polished brass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighVelocity Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 That would look pretty cool but I think it would be very expensive. I'm not sure titanium is flexible enough either and might be pretty hard to load and unload. I'm going to keep an eye on this thread though. Gary J. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrianH Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 Back when Versalab was building ICORE guns they asked me to quote them wire EDM'ed titanium moonclips and I just couldn't get the price low enough to make it worthwhile....even doing 5000. It's just too expensive. I've never seen them anywhere else either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whizz Posted February 25, 2008 Author Share Posted February 25, 2008 OK Brian, I read about a Grade 5 Titanium which is alloyed with Vanadium and Aluminium. It is supposed have the same or even higher tensile and springy properties as tempered spring steel. Is that what you was going to use? I'm really considering to find a way of having some made up just to see if it is possible and how they would work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrianH Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 Yeah. I priced some sheet....I don't remember how thick. That was maybe 3-4 years ago and the price of ti has gone through the roof since then...I would hate to look! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hearthco Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 OK Brian, I read about a Grade 5 Titanium which is alloyed with Vanadium and Aluminium. It is supposed have the same or even higher tensile and springy properties as tempered spring steel. Is that what you was going to use? I'm really considering to find a way of having some made up just to see if it is possible and how they would work. If you really want Ti clips, send me the material and Ill cut them. Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whizz Posted February 29, 2008 Author Share Posted February 29, 2008 Thanks for the offer Hearthco but sending a sheet of titanium over the pond and back again seems like "crossing the creek to get water". I have a harder time getting the right material than to cut it as I have acces to top modern cutting equipment through a friend. I have also prepared the necessary .dxf-files... Will keep you posted if I get some material and how it worked out. One never knows if it will work properly until it's been tested under the harsh conditions of a shooting range Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whizz Posted March 3, 2008 Author Share Posted March 3, 2008 (edited) Hehe... Got an offer today. One sheet 0,027"x3.5'x7' $US 2850. For one trial sheet which I am not even sure will work for the purpose. Thank god there is still plenty of steel around in the world In other words, no titanium clips from this part of the world in the foreseeable future. Edited March 3, 2008 by whizz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carmoney Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 If my calculations are correct, this means Dave H. should be able to retail the "Hearthco Titanium Signature Series" for about $39.95 per moonclip (or 20 moonclips for $799). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slflr Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 If my calculations are correct, this means Dave H. should be able to retail the "Hearthco Titanium Signature Series" for about $39.95 per moonclip (or 20 moonclips for $799). That is definitely an advantage to the average shooter. And when you consider the weight savings of 20 grains per moonclip x 8 moonclips, you can carry an extra bullet (almost). Actually, I think ceramic moonclips are the wave of the future. But, that's another thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilTerry Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 If my calculations are correct, this means Dave H. should be able to retail the "Hearthco Titanium Signature Series" for about $39.95 per moonclip (or 20 moonclips for $799). That is definitely an advantage to the average shooter. And when you consider the weight savings of 20 grains per moonclip x 8 moonclips, you can carry an extra bullet (almost). Actually, I think ceramic moonclips are the wave of the future. But, that's another thread. I believe that you were on the right track with titanium or titanium alloy rather than ceramics. Titanium has half the modulus of steel so for the same applied force it deflects twice as far as steel making it easier to load and unload moon-clips compared to steel. Ceramics on the other hand have extremely limited ductility meaning that deflecting a ceramic part to load rounds for example would cause a crack very rapidly. There are a few specialised engineering ceramics with "slightly" better ductility properties but if you thought titanium was expensive wait till you get a quote on a ceramic! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slflr Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 If my calculations are correct, this means Dave H. should be able to retail the "Hearthco Titanium Signature Series" for about $39.95 per moonclip (or 20 moonclips for $799). That is definitely an advantage to the average shooter. And when you consider the weight savings of 20 grains per moonclip x 8 moonclips, you can carry an extra bullet (almost). Actually, I think ceramic moonclips are the wave of the future. But, that's another thread. I believe that you were on the right track with titanium or titanium alloy rather than ceramics. Titanium has half the modulus of steel so for the same applied force it deflects twice as far as steel making it easier to load and unload moon-clips compared to steel. Ceramics on the other hand have extremely limited ductility meaning that deflecting a ceramic part to load rounds for example would cause a crack very rapidly. There are a few specialised engineering ceramics with "slightly" better ductility properties but if you thought titanium was expensive wait till you get a quote on a ceramic! I have been to the Dupont plant across the road from me and their estimate for explosively laminating a .005 micron layer of bioluminescent material to the ceramic moon clips is well under budget. The only problem we are having is micro serializing the individual moon clips. Bubber will be happy to know that each will be equipped with a micro locater chip that is usable in up to 1m of wet mulch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom E Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 Mike's $40 per sounds a bit high, but even at that, if you look at cost per round held, Ti moons are are about the same price as an open/limited bottom feeder super trick hi-cap magazine. Harder to buy a score with a revo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubber Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 If my calculations are correct, this means Dave H. should be able to retail the "Hearthco Titanium Signature Series" for about $39.95 per moonclip (or 20 moonclips for $799). That is definitely an advantage to the average shooter. And when you consider the weight savings of 20 grains per moonclip x 8 moonclips, you can carry an extra bullet (almost). Actually, I think ceramic moonclips are the wave of the future. But, that's another thread. I believe that you were on the right track with titanium or titanium alloy rather than ceramics. Titanium has half the modulus of steel so for the same applied force it deflects twice as far as steel making it easier to load and unload moon-clips compared to steel. Ceramics on the other hand have extremely limited ductility meaning that deflecting a ceramic part to load rounds for example would cause a crack very rapidly. There are a few specialised engineering ceramics with "slightly" better ductility properties but if you thought titanium was expensive wait till you get a quote on a ceramic! I have been to the Dupont plant across the road from me and their estimate for explosively laminating a .005 micron layer of bioluminescent material to the ceramic moon clips is well under budget. The only problem we are having is micro serializing the individual moon clips. Bubber will be happy to know that each will be equipped with a micro locater chip that is usable in up to 1m of wet mulch. Yea if I tied one of those trackable clips to my speedloader I would have found it by now. Still looking But on the other hand it could have been buried deeper than 1 meter by the time everybody had a chance to step on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robopup Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 You could always put the rounds in a jig and use one of the new super plastic sprays... spray on one use moons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neomet Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 Someone just needs to buy these so I can tell Ms. Neomet how my new open blaster is such a nice, inexpensive option compared to shooting those darn expensive, high-tech revos! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hearthco Posted March 5, 2008 Share Posted March 5, 2008 SHEEESHH!!! I get sick for a couple of days and I miss everything. I think Mike's estamate was low. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kend Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 As much as I hate to say it try E-bay for small quantities of Titanium, I've seen bar stock on there relatively cheap. Say, we could write a program and machine the clip and 6 integral case from bar stock, I wonder if Dillon could make a 650 conversion for it..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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