open17 Posted December 27, 2006 Share Posted December 27, 2006 Title: Fault line dimension Date of Motion: 12/02/06 01:56 PM Closed: Submitted by: Area7 Seconded by: Area5 Status: Posted Result: Passed Motion: "Area 7 moves that the dimension ""2 inches"" in rule 2.2.1 be changed to ""1.5 inches"" " Votes: Rollcall not requested UMMMMM----The only "2" I can find in 2.2.1 refers to 2 centimeters (0.79"). Not at all sure where this one came from or where it was supposed to go. I DO know that some of the local clubs have spent a bit of coin getting some welded steel boxes, made from 1x1 square steel tubing. The 1.5" rule change would render them obsolete. Be kind of interesting to hear the "problem that needed fixing" on this one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nik Habicht Posted December 27, 2006 Share Posted December 27, 2006 This is pure speculation on my part ---- but I'm guessing it's a fix for the true measurements of a 2x3 or 2x4. That said, fault lines at our club are generally red painted 1x3s --- which at .75 inches tall are clearly illegal...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricBudd Posted December 27, 2006 Share Posted December 27, 2006 This is pure speculation on my part ---- but I'm guessing it's a fix for the true measurements of a 2x3 or 2x4. That said, fault lines at our club are generally red painted 1x3s --- which at .75 inches tall are clearly illegal...... I use red/orange 1x2's. They are the same as the target stands which means I only need 1 kind of stick. I could be wrong, but wouldn't using 2x3's or 2x4's increase the change of tripping? (Besides, 1x2's or 1x3 weigh less when your setting up a local match at 7:00 AM.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Boudrie Posted December 27, 2006 Share Posted December 27, 2006 The only "2" I can find in 2.2.1 refers to 2 centimeters (0.79"). Not at all sure where this one came from or where it was supposed to go. I DO know that some of the local clubs have spent a bit of coin getting some welded steel boxes, made from 1x1 squaresteel tubing. The 1.5" rule change would render them obsolete. I'm limiting my comments on rules issues to the official uspsa forums, www.uspsa.org/forums until the new rulebook is in it's final, ratified, form. Since the official forums are the only ones being monitored regularly by board members, comments in that venue will actually be read by those who will be casting the final vote. If this question shows up in the official forums, I'll answer it. Rob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Norman Posted December 27, 2006 Share Posted December 27, 2006 Title: Fault line dimension Date of Motion: 12/02/06 01:56 PM Closed: Submitted by: Area7 Seconded by: Area5 Status: Posted Result: Passed Motion: "Area 7 moves that the dimension ""2 inches"" in rule 2.2.1 be changed to ""1.5 inches"" " Votes: Rollcall not requested UMMMMM----The only "2" I can find in 2.2.1 refers to 2 centimeters (0.79"). Not at all sure where this one came from or where it was supposed to go. I DO know that some of the local clubs have spent a bit of coin getting some welded steel boxes, made from 1x1 square steel tubing. The 1.5" rule change would render them obsolete. Be kind of interesting to hear the "problem that needed fixing" on this one The referenced rule is: 2.2.1 Charge Lines and Fault Lines – Competitor movement should preferably be restricted through the use of physical barriers, however, the use of Charge and Fault Lines is permitted. Charge Lines and Fault Lines should be constructed of wooden boards or other suitable material and should rise at least 2 centimeters (0.79 inches) above ground level. This will provide both physical and visible references to competitors to prevent inadvertent faulting. Fault Lines and Charge Lines must be fixed firmly in place to ensure they remain consistent throughout the match. I think and I may be incorrect here. that in the previous edition, the rule MAY have called for 2 inches and this just possibly got corrupted in translation between Metric and English in teh last book. I believe that the rule was originally based on the use of a 2 x 4. Anyone that has ever built anything with construction lumber knows that a "2 x 4" is really only about 1-9/16 x 3-5/8 so this new rule sort of makes sense. At the local level, I would not throw out the 1" steel boxes, or as we use for falut lines, the old Firehoses. For "Big Matches" this might not fly, but clubs??? As long as the (and I really hate to say it) spirit of the rule is enforced, I think it is OK. Example, We might use a firehose on a long run between walls, but where it is likely that a shooter would fade tight to a fault line, we use a 2 x 3 or 2 x 4. Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Boudrie Posted December 27, 2006 Share Posted December 27, 2006 The only "2" I can find in 2.2.1 refers to 2 centimeters (0.79"). Not at all sure where this one came from or where it was supposed to go. I DO know that some of the local clubs have spent a bit of coin getting some welded steel boxes, made from 1x1 squaresteel tubing. The 1.5" rule change would render them obsolete. I'm limiting my comments on rules issues to the official uspsa forums, www.uspsa.org/forums until the new rulebook is in it's final, ratified, form. Since the official forums are the only ones being monitored regularly by board members, comments in that venue will actually be read by those who will be casting the final vote. If this question shows up in the official forums, I'll answer it. Rob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
open17 Posted December 27, 2006 Author Share Posted December 27, 2006 Actually, what I found a bit curious is that the board voted "that the dimension ""2 inches"" in rule 2.2.1 be changed to ""1.5 inches"" " When if fact the "dimension "2 inches"" doesn't even EXIST in rule 2.2.1. At least it isn't there in my rule book. Is it a typo in the minutes, or did the entire BOD fail to actually READ the rule they were voting to change? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Meek Posted December 27, 2006 Share Posted December 27, 2006 From what I can tell these rules are for the 2008 USPSA Rule book, not the current IPSC/USPSA Rulebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vluc Posted December 27, 2006 Share Posted December 27, 2006 Folks, I kindly invite you to go over to the uspsa forum and raise a ruckus over there on this and other issues. If we are being told that answers to questions will only be done on the "official" forum, lets fill it up with questions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Stevens Posted December 28, 2006 Share Posted December 28, 2006 You might also try to contact your own AD and ask him directly your questions. I know I am very prompt about answering all of my questions either by e-mail or phone. Talking to yourself, even in groups, will not lead to many answers, only speculation. While I try to answer as many questions as possible on this forum, I think the question of did I read the the rule we were voting to change, I'll save for a one on one. Gary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritinUSA Posted December 28, 2006 Share Posted December 28, 2006 The draft rules have been posted and are available for download. There is a category on the USPSA forum for questions/concerns about the rules --> click Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wgnoyes Posted December 28, 2006 Share Posted December 28, 2006 Broken link? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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