BasM Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 As I'm looking for and open gun but do not have prior experience with open guns I have the following question. When in good condition is an older strayer Voight 2011 like the one below worthwhile considering? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerTrace Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 Depends on the price. It may have been a kit gun and built by someone other than Infinity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefVanHauwe Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 5 hours ago, BasM said: As I'm looking for and open gun but do not have prior experience with open guns I have the following question. When in good condition is an older strayer Voight 2011 like the one below worthwhile considering? Things I'd look for are: - Approximate round count, incl. minor or major loads - Prior usage (USPSA, Steel Challenge, etc.) - Overall condition, how does it look (carbon settings, breach face, comp, etc.) - Does everything work flawlessly (safety, mag release) - Fit of slide to frame (not too much movement) - Status of the frame and slide to look for any cracks - Fit of comp on barrel (alligned, straight, no movement) - Status of barrel rifling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BasM Posted March 23 Author Share Posted March 23 14 minutes ago, StefVanHauwe said: Things I'd look for are: - Approximate round count, incl. minor or major loads - Prior usage (USPSA, Steel Challenge, etc.) - Overall condition, how does it look (carbon settings, breach face, comp, etc.) - Does everything work flawlessly (safety, mag release) - Fit of slide to frame (not too much movement) - Status of the frame and slide to look for any cracks - Fit of comp on barrel (alligned, straight, no movement) - Status of barrel rifling Thanks, will do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IVC Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 A high-end shooter is like any other tool. It gets heavily used, it needs maintenance and parts will eventually have to be replaced. With a 2011, if your frame is solid and your slide fit is good, you have a "good gun." The grip will outlast other parts and you have to replace spring and eventually the barrel (needs fitting). Action usually last a very long time, but it's also something that can be easily replaced if there is a need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posvar Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 If it’s under $2,500 it would still be a maybe for me. Would need to find out as much info about it as possible. Also, the super old guns have older comp tech, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BasM Posted March 24 Author Share Posted March 24 (edited) Thx to all for the advice, much appreciated. Edited March 24 by BasM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posvar Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 2 hours ago, BasM said: Thx to all for the advice, much appreciated. Good luck! Let us know what you end up with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BasM Posted March 24 Author Share Posted March 24 Will do. But there is a lot of options. Love the 1911/2011 platform for the stability and great triggers. However there are also some nice fair priced tanfo's out there. I know of a Gold Custom Eric 2007 for sale, some seem to like them and some don't. Any opinions on that out here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posvar Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 I think the biggest driver in your search is your budget. Any idea what that is? That’s going to narrow down things quite a bit. I would stay with a tried and true 2011 platform but that’s me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BasM Posted March 24 Author Share Posted March 24 I want to see if an open gun is the the thing for me. (I'm afraid it might be, love speed, tinkering and nice stuff)For that reason I want to keep the initial purchase between 2 and 3K€ for the gun and not go all out on it at once. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posvar Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 On 3/24/2024 at 9:17 AM, BasM said: I want to see if an open gun is the the thing for me. (I'm afraid it might be, love speed, tinkering and nice stuff)For that reason I want to keep the initial purchase between 2 and 3K€ for the gun and not go all out on it at once. You can get "something" at that price but it may be wore out or very old tech. Keep looking. Hoping something pops up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BasM Posted March 26 Author Share Posted March 26 Must be patient, I know. And 4.5K€ buys a new BUL SAS2 UR, SPS too. They seem to be okay when you look around on the forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BasM Posted March 31 Author Share Posted March 31 Well, I ended up buying a new SPS Vista Long in .38. Got a sweet deal on it and could not justify buying used for that amount. It came in .38 so I will deal with that as it is. As I will maybe shoot 4 or 5 matches a year outside the club it is okay brass wise. Most what I read is that these guns run pretty okay and parts are easy to get here in Europe. Any advice on a starting load in 3N38 or 3N37 for .38 with coal and crimp dia? Greetz Bas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perttime Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 You are in Europe, so probably play by IPSC rules. There, you must have a 120gr bullet, or heavier, for Major PF. Vihtavuori tables don't have much that can help: https://www.vihtavuori.com/reloading-data/handgun-reloading/?cartridge=42 130gr FMJ with 6.8gr of 3N37 at 32.0 mm COAL might barely make Major. Maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xrayfk05 Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 (edited) 9.3 grain 3N38, 124 Also Pro RN, 32.5mm OAL get me to 165'ish wth an older STI. (Just comped, not ported) I mainly use Lovex D37.1 which needs 10.8 grains with the same components as above for 162 PF. For matches 162PF is a bit too close for comfort but I don't shoot them in open. Geco brass can be had for 25 cents a piece from Luxembourg, that includes shipping. I don't know how Geco brass hold up since I have only reloaded it 2 or 3 times so far. Ordinary SP primers btw. Edited March 31 by xrayfk05 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posvar Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 1 hour ago, BasM said: Well, I ended up buying a new SPS Vista Long in .38. Got a sweet deal on it and could not justify buying used for that amount. It came in .38 so I will deal with that as it is. As I will maybe shoot 4 or 5 matches a year outside the club it is okay brass wise. Most what I read is that these guns run pretty okay and parts are easy to get here in Europe. Any advice on a starting load in 3N38 or 3N37 for .38 with coal and crimp dia? Greetz Bas I have experience with those. Well it was a .40 limited gun and a shorty 9mm Major Vista. They are ok after you change all of the MIM parts out and do a trigger job. The mags are solid. Pretty sure they are proprietary but you should be able to get some over there and MBX sells some for them too. Grips are awful but they sell a metal grip for them now and it’s nice. All in all a good move on your part. Congrats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BasM Posted March 31 Author Share Posted March 31 Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BasM Posted March 31 Author Share Posted March 31 4 hours ago, xrayfk05 said: 9.3 grain 3N38, 124 Also Pro RN, 32.5mm OAL get me to 165'ish wth an older STI. (Just comped, not ported) I mainly use Lovex D37.1 which needs 10.8 grains with the same components as above for 162 PF. For matches 162PF is a bit too close for comfort but I don't shoot them in open. Geco brass can be had for 25 cents a piece from Luxembourg, that includes shipping. I don't know how Geco brass hold up since I have only reloaded it 2 or 3 times so far. Ordinary SP primers btw. Klinkt goed, bedankt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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