DwightSchrute Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 Background: I have a lot of Sport Pistol on hand that I use for Production and Carry Optics loads, and a lot of HP-38 and Win 231 on hand for my .45 caliber Single Stack loads. I am just now getting into PCC, and based on a lot of head-spinning internet research, it seems that the conventional wisdom is beginning to favor less-than-heavy bullets with a slower-burning powder for PCC competition loads. Question: If I go with a 124/125 grain JHP or FMJ bullet, should I use my Sport Pistol that I was originally planning on using or my slower-burning HP-38/Win 231 that many seem to suggest might work better in the longer barrel of a PCC rifle? I’m the type of guy who likes to dial in one load for a particular purpose and then stick with it, so I appreciate everyone’s input before I get up and running on serious reloading for PCC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty_J Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 I use 115’s with sport pistol (or Cleanshot) as my go-to load. Been shooting this combo for nearly 3 years now. Slower powders should provide more gas for the comp…. But will also change how the gun unlocks. CFE pistol is the slowest powder I’ve used for PCC… and it’s EXTREMELY dirty with such low charge weights… suspect that’ll be similar for other powders in that burn rate area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DwightSchrute Posted November 4, 2022 Author Share Posted November 4, 2022 (edited) “I use 115’s with sport pistol (or Cleanshot) as my go-to load.” Well I don’t want dirty — especially if it starts to produce buildup in the compensator. Any problems knocking down steel with the 115s? Edited November 4, 2022 by DwightSchrute Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty_J Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 (edited) No problem with steel. None. Until he switched to the JP5 roller delay… Max Leograndis shot 115’s in his direct blowbacks. Several other super squad shooters do too. I much prefer the way the 115’s shoot. I think lots of folks use 124’s since they can also use for handgun loads… so it’s a more versatile weight. Works fine in both platforms. But if I’m loading PCC specific ammo… I like them light and a little hot (136-138PF is my preference for dot movement/return). I wouldn’t get your hopes up with JHP. Most PCCs don’t do well with them. Edited November 4, 2022 by Dirty_J Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobkoh Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 2 hours ago, DwightSchrute said: Background: I have a lot of Sport Pistol on hand that I use for Production and Carry Optics loads, and a lot of HP-38 and Win 231 on hand for my .45 caliber Single Stack loads. I am just now getting into PCC, and based on a lot of head-spinning internet research, it seems that the conventional wisdom is beginning to favor less-than-heavy bullets with a slower-burning powder for PCC competition loads. Question: If I go with a 124/125 grain JHP or FMJ bullet, should I use my Sport Pistol that I was originally planning on using or my slower-burning HP-38/Win 231 that many seem to suggest might work better in the longer barrel of a PCC rifle? I’m the type of guy who likes to dial in one load for a particular purpose and then stick with it, so I appreciate everyone’s input before I get up and running on serious reloading for PCC. For decades the Hensley and Gibbs #68 200 grain SWC has ruled for as lot of things. It's more accurate and you can load them hot or mild with 2321/HP-38. I've used it since starting in IPSC in the 70s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpm2953 Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 3.4gr sport pistol with a 125gr BBI ran like a scalded dog in my PCC. I love HP-38 too. Can’t really tell a difference between the 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty_J Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 9 minutes ago, jpm2953 said: 3.4gr sport pistol with a 125gr BBI ran like a scalded dog in my PCC. I love HP-38 too. Can’t really tell a difference between the 2. BBI? Yuck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpm2953 Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 1 minute ago, Dirty_J said: BBI? Yuck. Got 4 cases of them still and been shooting them since 2017. Love ‘em! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty_J Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 3 minutes ago, jpm2953 said: Got 4 cases of them still and been shooting them since 2017. Love ‘em! Haha. I know. They’re fine. I’ve shot tons of their 125’s in handguns. Heck. Still have a few myself. I didn’t like their 115gr mold back when I was soliciting bullet companies… no bevel and a chonky ogive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jschreiber Posted December 11, 2022 Share Posted December 11, 2022 Sport pistol and Everglades 124s run great in my mpx pcc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ysrracer Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 I'm my para I'm loading 4.2 of 231, but in my PCC I only need 3.8 for the same power factor (130+), 124gr jacketed bullet. Is that what you guys are seeing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlandoech Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 On 11/3/2022 at 8:01 PM, Dirty_J said: No problem with steel. None. Until he switched to the JP5 roller delay… Max Leograndis shot 115’s in his direct blowbacks. Several other super squad shooters do too. I much prefer the way the 115’s shoot. I think lots of folks use 124’s since they can also use for handgun loads… so it’s a more versatile weight. Works fine in both platforms. But if I’m loading PCC specific ammo… I like them light and a little hot (136-138PF is my preference for dot movement/return). I wouldn’t get your hopes up with JHP. Most PCCs don’t do well with them. do You know what Gr Max shoots now? You said up until he switched to Jp5, I assume 124? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty_J Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 14 minutes ago, Orlandoech said: do You know what Gr Max shoots now? You said up until he switched to Jp5, I assume 124? He shot 115’s primarily in his blowback guns when he was loading his own ammo from what I’ve seen. Even played with 95gr at some point. Now that he’s hooked up with SuperVel.. he’s been shooting heavier from what I’ve seen. Better recoil impulse in the JP5 perhaps? He was shooting 124’s at 143PF at nationals last year. Hit him up on Instagram… I’m sure he’d be happy to share his current ideology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khaot1c Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 I'm just getting into PCC myself so I wanted to put together a load. I'm loading for a 16" Sig MPX. My current handgun load (124JHP and Sport Pistol) certainly ran the gun but the consistency wasn't great; producing a 25-yard group size of about 3-4 inches. I made a load with some 115gr FMJ and Clean Shot. I feel this load produced a more predictable dot movement and certainly yielded a much better group size at 25 yards, coming in around 2 inches. The Clean shot load is a LOT cleaner, which matters more in the MPX because of the piston system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Phil Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 I’m the type of guy who likes to dial in one load for a particular purpose and then stick with it, so I appreciate everyone’s input before I get up and running on serious reloading for PCC. Me too. I shoot 3.6gr Win 231/HP38 with i25 powder coated or Bayou (.355 dia.) in in all of my 9mm. Auto pistols, PCC etc. For revolver I shoot the same charge but with a .3575 powder coated bullet because that's what my 929 likes. Simple is really good! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ysrracer Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 46 minutes ago, Dr. Phil said: I’m the type of guy who likes to dial in one load for a particular purpose and then stick with it, so I appreciate everyone’s input before I get up and running on serious reloading for PCC. Me too. I shoot 3.6gr Win 231/HP38 with i25 powder coated or Bayou (.355 dia.) in in all of my 9mm. Auto pistols, PCC etc. For revolver I shoot the same charge but with a .3575 powder coated bullet because that's what my 929 likes. Simple is really good! I need to run a hotter charge in my 9mm pistol verses my PCC. If I don't, my pistol won't function. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankge Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 9mm tends to be more accurate with higher velocity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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