fastlane604 Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 Thanks to a post by Kells81, I read the IDPA ESP equipment rules for 2017. There is no longer a dust cover restriction that I can see. Because of that the SP-01 should be legal for ESP without adhering to the previous rule of, "if it is legal for SSP it is legal for ESP, as long as there are no modifications illegal in SSP" (paraphrased). By being legal without adhering to SSP rules means that the SP-01 will be legal with a magwell, an aftermarket safety and trigger and anything else that is permitted in ESP. Am I on track here? Have I missed something? Let me know quickly because I am getting ready to go have a beer to celebrate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowdyb Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 That's how I read it as well. Is there a weight limit in ESP? I can't remember.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philippshen Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 43oz I think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutycalls75 Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 Interesting, a division I can use my Accu shadow with a magwell in. May have to try some IDPA again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kells81 Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 (edited) It was verified in a response by B. Ehler somewhere in one of the post I had asking about it. You no longer have to get to ESP through SSP with the SP-01 so the Accu is legal for ESP. Hell any legal thing you do to the SP-01 now to go to ESP is legal (inclusive list). Before the issue was the bushing or sight milling made it non legal for SSP so it wasnt legal for ESP. You can in theory run a SAO SP-01 or Shadow now also in ESP. I don't know what else the rulebook says because I stopped reading there as its a big improvement. The messed up part it was a few days after I sold my Edge or I would have thrown a bushing barrel in that bad boy and try to make weight. They took the FLDC issue out of ESP and CDP so if you wanted to even run something like a Les Baer Monolith you could if it made weight. Edited February 21, 2017 by kells81 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kells81 Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 1 hour ago, rowdyb said: That's how I read it as well. Is there a weight limit in ESP? I can't remember.... Pretty sure its 43oz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balakay Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 what makes the Edge's barrel a "Bull Barrel" but the SP-01 is not?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B_RAD Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 I feel like we've had this topic here before. I still font think the Accu is legal. The mod is external and not from the factory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fastlane604 Posted February 21, 2017 Author Share Posted February 21, 2017 Yep, weight is 43 oz..and it has to fit in the box like any other ESP gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fastlane604 Posted February 21, 2017 Author Share Posted February 21, 2017 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Balakay said: what makes the Edge's barrel a "Bull Barrel" but the SP-01 is not?? The SP-01 barrel is the same diameter throughout and there is an internal bushing in the slide. Edited February 21, 2017 by fastlane604 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B_RAD Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 (edited) 8.2.2.2.h states "internal" accuracy work can be done. Not sure if theyd consider the bushing to be external? I think they would. Saying that, read below. 8.2.2.3 ESP Excluded Features and Modifications (Non-Inclusive list): A. Removal of material from the exterior of the slide other than front cocking serrations, tri-top, engraving, carry melts, and high power cuts. I asked if slide cutouts from the factory are legal. They quoted this section. I asked how the Glock 34 is legal. I've gotten now answer. So, it seems like some rules mean different things for different guns. Edited February 21, 2017 by B_RAD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kells81 Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 V. Slide inserts to accommodate a different recoil assembly design. The bushing is to accommodate a different recoil assembly is it not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowdyb Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 he's not talking about an accu shadow. he's talking about the regular old run of the mill sp01 shadow like i've been shooting for years in idpa at dozens of major matches and multiple nationals. the gun i've been DC with multiple times in ssp. now that the ssp into esp clause is gone and the fldc language is gone from esp then i agree, if you can make weight and fit in the box then go for it on tricking out a sp01 shadow for esp. 8.1.2 A.Any firearm that can be used in SSP can be used in ESP or CDP, depending upon the cartridge used 8.2.2 Enhanced Service Pistol Division (ESP) Handguns permitted for use in ESP must:A.Be semi-automatic.B.Use9mm (9x19)or largercartridgesC.The unloaded firearm with the heaviest magazine must weigh 43.00oz.or less.D.The firearm with the largest magazine inserted must fit in the IDPA gun test box measuring 8 ¾” x 6” x 15/8 8.2.2.2 A allows you to mill for other sights as well, meaning to me that Target models are now good to go as well. Make weight, fit in box, good to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B_RAD Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 Someone else mentioned the accushadow. Sorry OP. Yes I think everyone agrees that the SP-01 is GTG in ESP! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowdyb Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 The big question is will the gun make weight with a magwell? I no longer have a 75/85/sp01 sized magwell to weigh and a quick check of czc and sp doesn't show them listing the weights. And if you're cheap, you can make the stock 18rnd, plastic base pad magazines work with a magwell by just trimming them (the plastic basepad) down, shortening their height. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kells81 Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 I think I mentioned the Accu because it was the specific gun that the question was asked towards Brian. The SP-01, Shadow, and Shadow target are good to go without a doubt. Here is my SP-01 on a scale. It has the factory mag and Cajun internals along with CZ custom sights. Right around 40oz give or take. How much does the magwel weigh in general? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fastlane604 Posted February 21, 2017 Author Share Posted February 21, 2017 My CZC aluminum magwell weighs 1.5 oz on my cheap little postage scale. I don't have a scale large enough to weigh the gun and magwell together but with a 40 oz gun and a 1.5 oz magwell plus the little bit that the aluminum base pad's weigh, it should come in below 43. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philippshen Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 shadow with magwell will make the weight, even with CZC extended barrel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B_RAD Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 6 hours ago, philippshen said: shadow with magwell will make the weight, even with CZC extended barrel I bet reloads can be done while sleeping with a magwell on there! For me, CZ are already easy to reload. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philippshen Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 (edited) On 2/21/2017 at 4:38 PM, B_RAD said: I bet reloads can be done while sleeping with a magwell on there! For me, CZ are already easy to reload. Lol, maybe not as easy as modified tanfo magwell, I wish we can do the same kind of bevel to CZs Edited February 22, 2017 by philippshen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitman321 Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 On 2/21/2017 at 9:08 AM, philippshen said: shadow with magwell will make the weight, even with CZC extended barrel Does it fit in the box though as configured??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kells81 Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 It looks similar to one that someone stuffed in a box on Stage 11 at GCC. I was wondering if it would fit myself but he put it in and closed the lid. He didn't fair so well after but he at least got the gun with a magwell in the box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FingerBlaster Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 so is an sp-01 with a czc a bushing legal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philippshen Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 10 hours ago, FingerBlaster said: so is an sp-01 with a czc a bushing legal? for esp, yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ultimase Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 Actually the sp01 looks like it should even be legal in Ssp provided you start da. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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